Station Street and Eel Race Road, Carrum

Artist impression of Carrum promenade


On behalf of the Victorian Government, the Level Crossing Removal Project is overseeing the removal of 75 dangerous and congested level crossings across Melbourne by 2025.

The first major milestone to improve connections in Carrum is complete with the opening of Karrum Karrum Bridge – linking the Bonbeach and Carrum communities and enabling the future closure of the Mascot Avenue, Bonbeach level crossing.

Major works are underway to remove the level crossings in Carrum, build a new Carrum Station and create a more direct road network for locals with a new connection between McLeod Road and Nepean Highway through to the beach.

The level crossing removals and $50 million revitalisation will create over 1.2 hectares of new community space, equivalent to the size of AAMI Park.

Four new areas will be created including a new foreshore park, a village green between Station Street and Nepean Highway, a town square at the new Carrum Station main entrance and a station garden at the second entrance near Walkers Road.

The closure of the Eel Race Road, Carrum and Mascot Avenue, Bonbeach level crossings are expected in early 2020.

Carrum Revitalisation Reference Group

The Carrum Revitalisation Reference Group (CRRG) has been meeting regularly since 2017 to help to shape the designs for the new open spaces being created as part of the Carrum level crossing removal project and $50 million revitalisation.

The CRRG is made up of local traders, community representatives and industry experts, including representatives from the Royal Botanic Gardens, Cranbourne and open space design and usability specialists.

This group has provided valuable input into the design and will continue to meet until final designs are announced later this year.


On behalf of the Victorian Government, the Level Crossing Removal Project is overseeing the removal of 75 dangerous and congested level crossings across Melbourne by 2025.

The first major milestone to improve connections in Carrum is complete with the opening of Karrum Karrum Bridge – linking the Bonbeach and Carrum communities and enabling the future closure of the Mascot Avenue, Bonbeach level crossing.

Major works are underway to remove the level crossings in Carrum, build a new Carrum Station and create a more direct road network for locals with a new connection between McLeod Road and Nepean Highway through to the beach.

The level crossing removals and $50 million revitalisation will create over 1.2 hectares of new community space, equivalent to the size of AAMI Park.

Four new areas will be created including a new foreshore park, a village green between Station Street and Nepean Highway, a town square at the new Carrum Station main entrance and a station garden at the second entrance near Walkers Road.

The closure of the Eel Race Road, Carrum and Mascot Avenue, Bonbeach level crossings are expected in early 2020.

Carrum Revitalisation Reference Group

The Carrum Revitalisation Reference Group (CRRG) has been meeting regularly since 2017 to help to shape the designs for the new open spaces being created as part of the Carrum level crossing removal project and $50 million revitalisation.

The CRRG is made up of local traders, community representatives and industry experts, including representatives from the Royal Botanic Gardens, Cranbourne and open space design and usability specialists.

This group has provided valuable input into the design and will continue to meet until final designs are announced later this year.

Have a question about the Carrum level crossing removals or the new train storage facility in Kananook?

Ask us your question below and we'll get back to you with the information you need. If your question is urgent, give us a call on 1800 762 667 (24 hours, 7 days).


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  • 1:-It has been said that a relatively small number, 5500 vehicles a day, use Eel Race Road railway crossing. I ask you, is this really a small number? I think 5500 is a lot. 2:- Armstrong Road is currently a small, winding road, unsuitable for heavy traffic. It will take major works to make it suitable, which will ruin its 'quiet country road' ambience and impact the properties adjoining it. I ask you, do we need to make every road a race track? 3:- Tell us how we will make short trips such as......from the kindergarten at Eel Race Road to the Bowling club on Nepean Hwy, without doing long treks to either Armstrong or Carrum. How will emergency vehicles get across the railway line in a hurry? 4:-Closing ERR makes no sense; it just reduces our options, especially in emergencies-imagine if there was a fire- and will turn Railway Pde and Armstrong Road into race tracks.

    Wander asked 8 months ago

    Hi Wander, thanks for your feedback. 

    The design for the level crossing removals in Carrum will include the closure of the Eel Race Road level crossing and is currently expected in early 2020. 

    All level crossings are dangerous as they create the risk of incidents between drivers, cyclists and pedestrians, and metro and freight trains. 

    The Eel Race Road level crossing had 15 reported safety incidents in the 10 years to December 2014, which is the highest number out of the total 48 reported incidents across the four level crossings being removed from Carrum to Seaford. It also has a relatively low number of vehicles per day compared to 11,800 vehicles through Station Street and 17,000 vehicles through the former Seaford Road level crossing. 

    We have carried out extensive traffic studies and modelling to understand the volumes of traffic and where it's going in the area. The majority of vehicles using the Eel Race Road level crossing are travelling between the Nepean Highway and McLeod Road. With the boom gates gone at Station Street and a new direct road connection between McLeod Road through to the beach, travel times through the area will be reduced and local streets will be safer and quieter. 

    In the four kilometres along the Nepean Highway between the Patterson River and Seaford Road, there will be four road connections to ensure residents and emergency services can travel in and out of local areas with ease. The removal of boom gates at Seaford Road and a new boom gate-free connection at McLeod Road will mean emergency services vehicles will no longer have to wait for trains when getting around the area. 

    For the small number of local drivers that currently use the Eel Race Road level crossing to head south towards Frankston, they will have about 1.4 kilometres added to their journey by using the new McLeod Road intersection. These drivers can also use Seaford Road where we've already removed a level crossing, or Armstrongs Road where the Nepean Highway intersection has been upgraded to provide breaks in traffic to assist drivers turning right on to the Nepean Highway, improving safety. 

    Our traffic improvements factsheet has more information on the changes and is available at levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media/publications/frankston-factsheet-traffic-improvements 

    Thanks for getting in touch. Please don't hesitate to contact us if you have further questions.

  • How is the bus interchange arranged? The current one is convoluted, with buses leaving from a hidden location around the corner. In a proper interchange, the bus should be right beside the train (Kelmscott, Perth), or right above/below with direct access to the platform stairway/lift/escalator (Perth has three). Surprisingly, in Melbourne, Melton is the best (direct access and no fences), but only when trains use the main platform. Mernda and Bayswater come close. South Morang got the design wrong. Ringwood and Williams Landing are complete disasters.

    Roderick asked about 1 year ago

    Hi Roderick, thanks for your question and feedback. 

    The design for Carrum is not finalised. In the current proposed design the Carrum Station will be moved south of McLeod Road. 

    The new station platforms will run from McLeod Road to Walkers Road and provide entrances at both ends, improving safety and access to Carrum Station from all directions. 

    The bus interchange would be between both station entrances, with lift and stair access to the station for ease of access for commuters. 

    We'll be releasing final designs for Carrum later this year with more information - thanks for your question :)

  • I wish to add my comments to Greig Barrow's query "over a year ago". I am concerned about the increase in traffic across the Armstrongs Rd Level Crossing as a result of eliminating the Eel Race Rd crossing. People avoid Armstrongs Rd as it is a single lane access to Nepean Hwy & long delays can occur due to right hand turners into the highway. More traffic will use this crossing instead of going all the extra distance to McLeod Rd. Are there plans to widen Armstrongs Rd at the highway or introduce traffic lights to assist? Is this crossing now more dangerous due to the increased traffic? So far your replies have not addressed the issue raised & that is the increased use of Armstrongs Rd if Eel Race Rd crossing goes. The entry to Nepean Hwy will become less safe which is contrary to your comments re the local road network. Please advise how you are going to deal with this. Thanks, Glock 24Aug18

    Glock asked about 1 year ago

    Hi, thanks for getting in touch. 

    As you know, we’ve undertaken traffic studies to understand current how traffic moves through the area. In the four kilometres along the Nepean Highway between the Patterson River and Seaford Road, there will be four road connections to ensure residents can travel in and out of local areas with ease. 

    Traffic studies show that the majority of vehicles using the Eel Race Road level crossing are travelling between the Nepean Highway and McLeod Road. The new McLeod Road and Nepean Highway intersection will provide a more direct connection between these two arterial roads, reducing travel times through the area by up to 50 per cent and removing the need for drivers to rat-run through local streets to the Eel Race Road level crossing to avoid the current congestion problem in Carrum. 

    We have been working with VicRoads to make improvements to the Armstrongs Road and Nepean Highway intersection that will provide breaks in traffic to assist drivers turning right on to the Nepean Highway. We’re committed to improving safety for pedestrians, commuters, cyclists and motorists and creating a safer and more direct road network in Carrum. 

    Please refer to our fact sheet for more information on traffic improvements https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media/publications/frankston-factsheet-traffic-improvements

    Thanks again for getting in touch.

  • Please advise what the plan is for car parking at the redeveloped train station? Currently the station parking is completely full by 6:45am most days. There is nowhere else to park in the area as it's all time restricted street and shopping centre parking. Is there a plan to resolve this issue with this development? There are 100's of local residents who reply on parking their car at the station in order to be able to commute to work daily. It's well known that station car parking at most stations on that part of the Frankston line is insufficient, hopefully the government is taking this opportunity to rectify this important issue with these level crossing removal projects.

    Whatmatterstous asked about 1 year ago

    Hi Whatmatterstous, thanks for your question and feedback on parking in Carrum. We've heard a lot about car parking from the local community and we know how important this is.

    There will be no net loss of commuter car parking, which will be located under the new Carrum station to improve commuter safety and access. Overall there will be more car parks in Carrum with dozens added across the new beach promenade for beach access and village square to access local shops. 

    It's also worth noting that level crossing removals help to improve connections and reliability of local transport networks such as buses through easing local traffic congestion. We're also improving walking and cycling connections in Carrum, providing more ways for locals to access public transport to the city. 

    Once our engagement closes, we’ll be releasing final designs for Carrum later in the year. Thanks again for getting in touch.

  • Hi With the new constructions would there be a traffic light at 616-617 exit driveway as it is difficult at the moment to exit to turn left on Nepean Highway.

    sal asked about 1 year ago

    Hi Sal, thanks for your question. There will be a pedestrian crossing with traffic lights across the Nepean Highway at the existing Station Street level crossing, which will provide safe access for pedestrians from the new village square to the beach and help to create breaks in traffic along the Nepean Highway. Thanks for getting in touch

  • What number of car parking spaces will there be? The amount of parking at the station has been reduced several times of the past few years, the carpark has been made smaller and the bike lane used to be used for parking for several years due to insufficient parking in the area. You have this grand vision to renovate and invigorate the local area, if there is insufficient parking for the increased number of residents that have to live this far out while working in the city then this whole transformation will make the area worse not better.

    Dr Warren Day asked about 1 year ago

    Hi Dr Warren, thanks for your question and feedback on parking Carrum. We've heard a lot about car parking from the local community and we know how important this is. 

    There will be no net loss of commuter car parking, which will be located under the new Carrum station to improve commuter safety and access. Overall there will be more car parks in Carrum with dozens added across the new beach promenade for beach access and village square to access local shops. 

    It's also worth noting that level crossing removals help to improve connections and reliability of local transport networks such as buses through easing local traffic congestion. We're also improving walking and cycling connections in Carrum, providing more ways for locals to access public transport to the city. 

    Once our engagement closes, we’ll be releasing final designs for Carrum later in the year.

  • Will there be increased car parking at Carrum Station? The parking is currently insufficient. Thanks Dean.

    deanowilko asked about 1 year ago

    Hi Dean, as part of the of the Carrum revitalisation there will be new car spaces along the beach promenade and in the village square to provide better access to the beach and shops :)

  • Live in Patterson Lakes, First time user of Carrum Station to go into city to find work, drove up and down station st no all day parking and parking areas blocked off and gated to be used by Patterson river bridge workers. 4 hour parking available but not enough to get back from city. Asked a local they said try across the road on beach side some parking has been made available. I drive down “old post office lane” where cars are parked along a vacant block no signs restrictions. I park, come back from city $95 fine as in the sand on end of this vacant block is a yellow line which means ‘no standing’ the parking officer must have been watching me as I parked as my fine was done immediately. I could have parked at the beach parking as I have a sticker on my car but didn’t cross my mind at the time. After I got the fine the man who lives opposite the vacant block said they fine people there every day and a local put up a sign to say don’t park on yellow line and council ripped it down. How do I appeal my fine with city of Kingston? I broke the law, it wasn’t an emergency? so how do I appeal no parking available due to level crossing upgrade? Leanne

    Parking asked over 1 year ago

    Hi Leanne, thank you for getting in touch to provide feedback on parking at Carrum. 

    We're always looking at how we can improve to further minimise impacts for commuters during disruptions. 

    We understand that parking near stations is important to commuters, which is why we secured replacement parking on the foreshore to offset the parking required at Carrum Station to run replacement bus services. Additional offset parking for commuters was also provided at Seaford North Reserve. 

    We're sorry to hear that you received a parking fine because the yellow line was not visible, however you will need to get in contact with Kingston City Council to discuss this matter further. Information about requesting an internal review of parking infringements is available at kingston.vic.gov.au/About-Us/Local-Laws-and-Health/Infringement-Notices/Applications-for-internal-review-of-infringements. 

    We hope this helps, thanks again for getting in touch.

  • I would love it if you could build a skate park at the train sidings or the new open community areas at Carrum station please.

    Concerned Carrum s8tr asked almost 2 years ago

    Hi there, thanks for the great idea. We'll be seeking more ideas for the new community areas over the coming months, so it would be great if you could also get involved then and let us know any other ideas you have to help shape the local area.

  • I asked this question months ago and got a vague response. I want to know the strategy to maintain pedestrian access from the Patterson river to stations street in Carrum, which is currently achieved through the zig zag ramp under the pedestrian foot bridge.

    Keep-labor-accountable asked about 2 years ago

    Hi there, Pedestrian and cyclist access will be maintained to Station Street from both sides of the Patterson River. Once we have appointed a construction partner - expected late 2017 - we will work with them on final designs including the detail of these pedestrian and cyclist ramps. 

  • I do not support the rail bridge solution but have come to accept this will not change. I hope all disgruntled people reading this, including myself, vote with their feet and get rid of this terrible government with no vision beyond 4 years. My question is around ERR.I also do not support the closure of ERR, and think it's not to late to conduct further community consultation to assess what the Carrum community REALLY want. Have you considered the notion that your early community consultation around ERR was ineffective and did not achieve an actual community view in the matter? This is obviously such an issue for local community that the opposition is promising to do something about it.

    Keep-labor-accountable asked about 2 years ago

    Hi there The closure of the Eel Race Road level crossing is a result of extensive community consultation during 2016. We heard overwhelmingly from the community that they wanted to reduce the impact of elevated rail in Carrum. In response to this, our final design option creates the shortest possible rail bridge by closing the Eel Race Road level Crossing and extending McLeod Road to the Nepean Highway. In addition, our traffic studies show many drivers avoid the Station Street dog-leg and level crossing, instead using side streets to access McLeod Road via the Eel Race Road level crossing. The final design option will result in reduced congestion and rat-running, making local roads safer for all users, particularly children around Carrum Primary School. More information on the Eel Race Road level crossing removal is available on the project website.

  • Do the plans include establishing a properly-appointed, well-lit, sheltered and secure bus-waiting area under Carrum Station? This would replace the current exposed and secluded stop on McLeod Road, access to which from the station requires crossing an often-busy road. It would also obviate the need for some buses to go round the block prior to arrival at Carrum.

    Growler asked about 2 years ago

    Hi Growler,

    Thanks for your question.

    Based on the current concept design, we're looking at integrating the bus stop with Carrum Station to provide better public transport connections. We've heard a lot from the local community about ensuring well-lit, safe and sheltered areas for public transport users and we will be incorporating this feedback into the designs. 

    We are currently working with two shortlisted bidders to find a construction partner. Once we've appointed one, we'll be back out to the community with more detailed designs.

  • Hi, I am very keen to know about the walking crossing to the beach under the sothern end of skyrail via Progress Avenue. This is a great idea to give safe access for lots of people in the southern part of Carrum - is it still happening?

    StationMaster asked about 2 years ago

    Hi StationMaster, thanks for your question. 

    Based on the current concept design, pedestrians will be able to walk from Station Street under the rail bridge and across the Nepean Highway at a set of pedestrian lights to Progress Avenue in order to continue through to the beach. 

    There will also be a pedestrian and cyclist underpass at Eel Race Road for people to safely cross the rail corridor further south.

  • If project begins soon at Carrum Station. Would Carrum Station to become the temporary ticket office facilities, portable public toilets and put ticket machines in the temporary place during the construction of the new Carrum Station as part of the railway crossing removal? Would buses replace trains between Mordialloc and Stony Point including Frankston? Would construction begins in late 2018?

    Michael Ngo asked about 2 years ago

    Hi Michael, thanks for your enquiry. Construction will start in Carrum with the new Station Street bridge across the Patterson River in early 2018.

     We're currently working with the two shortlisted bidders to find a construction partner for the project. Once we've appointed one, we will have more details about the construction impacts and disruptions.

     As with all of our projects, we will work closely with the local community throughout construction to keep them informed of disruptions well in advance.

    If you haven't already, we recommend signing up for project updates at levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/subscribe

  • Hi, When is the Carrum Reference Group being established and when will you be calling for volunteer participants?

    MikeT asked about 2 years ago

    Hi MikeT, we'll be calling for nominations for Carrum Revitalisation Reference Group soon!

    If you haven't already, sign up for project updates at levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/subscribe to receive notification of when nominations open. Thanks :) 

  • PARKING Hello, Many thanks for the great job you've taken to revitalise the area around Carrum station while removing the level crossing. The previsualisations you've created look amazing. By how much in your plans is the Parking capacity increasing? Is it still possible to add more parking? I ask as parking at Carrum station is getting progressively worse year-on-year. Over the last 5 years (that I've lived in Patterson Lakes) Carrum station car-park gets completely full progressively earlier and earlier as time goes on. This being due to suburbs like Sandhurst being built to the East along McLeod/Thompson Road. And parking has now been removed from the cycle-lane that acted as car-park overflow for many years. It would be a shame if your vision for a new Carrum is destroyed by an increasingly overwhelming number of commuter cars. Many thanks. I look forward to hearing from you soon. Warren Day

    Dr Warren Day asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Warren, thanks for providing feedback and we're glad to hear you're supportive of the designs and the revitalisation.

    Parking is something that we've heard a lot about in the Carrum community. At a minimum there will be no net loss of commuter car parking, which will be provided at the new Carrum Station.

    With the new open space created as a result of the project we will use community feedback to help us strike the right balance between parking spaces for access to local shops and the beach and creating multi-use open spaces for community use.

    The level crossing removals will also make the local bus network more efficient by reducing congestion around the station and we're also looking at improving things like bike storage and walking and cycling paths to encourage several different ways for commuters to access trains.

    We hope you continue to be involved in the project and provide feedback as we progress to the final designs once we have a contractor on board. 

  • What is the approach to ensure proper parking space is available at Carrum Station or effective public transport to reach it? Public transport needs to be considered and addressed as a journey from door to door perspective (e.g. home to office to home). It is already impossible to find parking space at Carrum Station after 07:00. The removal of Level Crossings aims to achieve (amongst others) for a greater flow and volume of trains and passengers using the network. Will this be effective if I can’t find places to park at or near the station? The time table for busses is at 30 minutes interval which strongly discourages it’s use (on a journey that is already close to 60 minutes from Carrum to Flinders). PS: I live in Carrum.

    Ricardo asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Ricardo, thanks for your feedback.

    We know that providing access to parking is a priority for the Carrum community and it's something we've heard a lot about. All feedback we receive will be shared with our construction partner once appointed to help influence the final designs to make sure we get the best outcome for the local area.

    A key aim of the Level Crossing Removal Project is to ease congestion on roads, which will lead to a more efficient local bus network that will better connect people to train services. We're also looking at improvements to bike storage at the station to provide several easy ways for people to access Carrum Station in addition to car parking. 

  • Are there any plans to improve the bike storage facilities at the new station?

    Stu asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Stu, we have received a lot of feedback regarding improvements to bike storage at the new station and would love to see that included in the final design.

    We're currently in the tender phase to find a construction partner and once we have one on board we'll be working with them to ensure the final design responds to the local community's needs.

    Thanks for your feedback. 

  • I guess I'm a bit late with this but I would like to add my request that car parking and pickup/drop off points be a priority. I understand the views of Carrum residents, and agree that there needs to be parking reserved for short term and local use. However for people in areas such as Sandhurst, Carrum is our nearest station and we have no choice but to drive to a station as there is no efficient bus route. Currently to go to the city we must have a family member drop off and pickup because we cannot expect to be able to park near the station. Surely with such major work being undertaken it is unbelievably shortsighted to merely "not reduce" the available parking. With roads becoming more clogged, talk of congestion charges to discourage cars from being used to get to the city, all-day parking must be significantly increased as soon as possible.

    MEOC asked over 2 years ago

    Hi MEOC, thanks for your comments regarding parking.

    We've heard a lot about this in Carrum and this feedback will help to strike the right balance between commuter parking and parking for local shops and beach access as we know this is a priority for many in the local and surrounding areas.

    The level crossing removals will also mean that buses will no longer be held up at boom gates and will run more efficiently, providing better connections to Carrum Station for residents in the area. Thanks again for your feedback. We encourage you to stay involved in the project by subscribing for our email updates at levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/subscribe. 

  • The current level of car parking has seen nearby streets, mainly on the the north side of McLeod Rd, become clogged with vehicles on weekdays. The problem is such that moving vehicles cannot travel in opposite directions at the same time. This will worsen as more areas, not within walking distance of the station, follow the trend of conversion to higher density housing. My understanding is the current design for Carrum only maintains the car park capacity rather than increasing it. With the shift of the station to south of McLeod Rd, it's likely this problem will be exacerbated toward those adjacent streets. This area already has traffic issues because of parking near the primary school and Walkers Rd also services a bus route. While there are many aspects of the design I like, I think it leans too far toward form rather than function. In the design, I've looked at the car park next the the basketball half-court. Could this car park be extended right up to the highway? Most of the dwellings on the opposite side of the highway don't look toward this area, so I don't see the need to beautify/landscape this edge if mainly passing traffic would be looking at it. I also question the need for the basketball half-court and other open space opposite Progress Ave. The design already has open space in other areas. So I think this area should also be set aside for car parking as it's a far more critical need and will help ease the burden on those residents already affected and likely to be affected by the railway precinct.

    Jason-W asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Jason, 

    Thanks for your question, and apologies for the delay in getting back to you.

    Thanks for your feedback on the design - glad you like many of the aspects. Parking is something we've heard a lot about from the local community. 

    The map we have on our website and in the community update is a concept drawing with the more detailed design to be developed once we have a contractor on board. 

    All feedback from the local community will help us strike the right balance between open space and car parking to get the best outcome for the local area, so thank you for taking the time to submit your ideas.

  • Have you considered underground/stacked parking? It seems ashame if we free up space only to fill it with more parking spaces. Is carrum station viewed as a hub station for people outside of carrum? I hope this project primarily focuses on people living in carrum and the village square is more important than the car park.

    Daniel asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Daniel,

    Thanks for taking the time to submit your feedback. We've recently wrapped up our engagement with the local community on the Carrum Revitalisation where we sought ideas to shape the future of Carrum. 

    Parking is something we've heard a lot about from the local community and all feedback we have received will help us to get the balance right. We'll continue to work with locals to get the best outcome.

  • Why is so much land taken up with parking when 80% of the people who use the station parking dont even live in Carrum. By reducing the parking area this may make these people use their closest station instead of looking for cheap rail fares !

    David Lowe asked over 2 years ago

    Hi David, we appreciate you taking the time to write to us. We have made a commitment of no net loss of car parking as a result of our works. 

    From our conversations with community members this year, we are hearing a lot of support for us to create more parking as part of the project with many advocating that an increase in parking spaces is required to meet growing demand. We're also hearing the need for more timed parking so people can access local shops throughout the day that won't be taken up by commuters. 

    This feedback will help us strike the right balance of parking for the local area to get the best outcome for everyone. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

  • Station Street should become a 4 lane highway similar to Nepean Highway. This is a feasible suggestion given this would improve the flow of traffic significantly and provide an alternative to Nepean Highway. This would result in less congestion altogether. Now is an ideal opportunity to improve Station Street since a new bridge is going to be built over the river. Again, vastly more parking is critical rather than parklands!

    John2222 asked over 2 years ago

    Hi John, apologies for the delay in replying and thank you for the suggestion. 

    Due to the offset for the rail and property allowances of footpaths and street lighting there is not the space required to convert Station Street into a four lane highway similar to the Nepean Highway. 

    The project aims to connect up the arterial road network by extending McLeod Road to the Nepean Highway and allowing Station Street to remain a local road connection and not become a main thoroughfare. The community has also shown an interest in cycling paths and additional vegetation along Station Street where possible.

     We are hearing from the community that parking is very important and this will form a key consideration during the design process. Thank you John, if you have any other questions or suggestions please send them through!

  • How many 1-hour and 2-hour parking spots have been allocated in the Carrum Village area... to help traders and people that just wanted to use the Village area we need more timed parking. Train travellers park all day and shoppers (especially the elderly and mothers with babies) are finding it hard to access the local shops, doctors, pharmacy and post office etc..

    carrumpcy asked over 2 years ago

    Hi carrumpcy, thanks for your feedback. The design for the Carrum Revitalisation isn't finalised and parking is one of the things we're seeking feedback on to make sure we get the balance right for improved access to local shops and for commuters.

    We're looking to include timed parking for local shops in the new village square and on-street as well as making Station Street more pedestrian friendly to make it easier for local residents to access the shops and train station. Thanks for getting involved.    

  • Thank you for starting this fantastic project to revitalize of this beautiful area. The suburb is rundown and needed to be enhance as the beach and surrounding are fantastic. New and beautiful homes are now replacing the old! When will construction start and how long to complete?

    clyde asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Clyde, 

    Thank you for getting in touch. Construction on the Station Street connection over the Patterson River will begin in 2018. The road bridge will take approximately 12 months to complete. We can then begin construction to remove the train storage, build the rail bridge and new station, new road connections and the Carrum Revitalisation. Based on other level crossing removals, this part of the project should take around 12-18 months to complete. 

    We will have a clearer idea of the schedule of works once we have a construction partner on board. We are currently seeking a construction partner to deliver the project and will award a contract by the end of the year.

  • I am struggling to understand the logic of closing rail crossings and diverting more traffic to one road. Has anyone taken into account the growing population and future requirements for local people, or does the LXRA just look for an easy option for now?

    Arjay asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Arjay, 

    Thanks for your question. Station Street, Carrum is currently a congestion hotspot due to the boom gates, which hold up traffic for up to 49 minutes in the two hour morning peak, and the indirect road connection between McLeod Road and the Nepean Highway. The project will remove the boom gates and create a direct connection between McLeod Road and the Nepean Highway, which will enable traffic to flow much more efficiently through the area. 

    Additionally, our traffic monitoring shows that the majority of traffic uses the Mascot Avenue and Eel Race Road level crossings to access McLeod Road - the new connection and the new Station Street bridge over the Patterson River will provide a more direct route for these drivers and improve their overall travel times. 

    We also work with traffic experts and VicRoads to ensure that changes to the road network are aligned with the broader road network development plan. We know that Carrum is a growing bayside suburb and these changes will keep people moving through the area quickly and safely for years to come. Thanks. 

  • Since there are major issues with parking at Carrum station, why dont you consider adding more parking spaces rather than creating parkland and open space? A number of spaces were taken away along Station Street, and other nearby streets have time limits. (you can always plant trees in the car park?).

    Ally asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Ally, 

    Thanks for your suggestion - we've heard a lot about parking from the local community. These are the ideas we want to hear from the local community as part of our Carrum Revitalisation community engagement to get the best outcome. Feel free to register for our community forums or keep submitting your ideas for the Carrum Revitalisation online. Thanks for getting involved.

  • LXRA quote re community consultation in 2016 "During community consultation last year, the feedback we recieved was in support of seeing a shorter rail bridge in Carrum in order to minimise the visual impact. Pedestrian and cycling access will be retained, with a new and modern underpass to be built at Eel Race Road to allow safe access to the Nepean Highway (and towards the beach) underneath the rail line. " There is no mention that the shorter bridge would result in the closure of ERR. Please hear the community on this issue. Closing ERR is a mistake. LXRA has quoted 14 near misses in the last decade. Let's break it down. 1.4 near miss per year. Please provide details of these near misses in greater detail. Peds /drivers not paying attention is irrelevant- the design of the crossing is fundamentally safe. Your kidding yourself if you think people won't continue to rat race through Valletta St and Armstongs Rd crossing will become congested and much more dangerous than ERR ever will be. Why don't you simply do a mail/email vote for carrum/Seaford residents to see if the community really wants to keep ERR open. The overwhelming majority would want it to remain open. Protests will occur if you don't start to take heed on keeping ERR open. The Libs will win based on this issue alone.

    Netts asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Netts, 

    The two options the community were consulted on late 2016 were a 1400 metre rail bridge over McLeod Road and Eel Race Road, and a 900 metre rail bridge over McLeod Road with Eel Race Road to be closed. As part of this consultation we distributed a Preliminary Options Assessment report to about 12,000 properties in the local area and also made it available online. The two options were also presented at the Community Presentation and the Community Information Sessions held late 2016, and were the two options the community were invited to provide feedback on via feedback forms or an online survey. 

    All level crossings are dangerous and removing them eliminates any risk of incidents between freight and metro trains and pedestrians, cyclists and drivers, which is why the State Government has committed to removing three level crossings in the local area. 

    The safety data we refer to is provided by Transport Safety Victoria and the Office of the National Rail Safety Regulator for the ten year period to December 2014. There were 15 reported safety incidents at the Eel Race Road level crossing during this period, and 41 across the three level crossings to be removed as part of the Carrum Level Crossing Removal Project. 

    Many drivers cut through back streets to avoid the traffic congestion hot spot at Station Street/McLeod Road intersection. The removal of the boom gates and the new road connection at McLeod Road and Nepean Highway will get rid of this congestion and keep people moving through Carrum quickly and safely, reducing the need for people to cut through back streets. 

    The decision to build the short bridge and close Eel Race Road has been made and we will be seeking a construction partner to deliver the project this year with construction to start with the Station Street bridge across the Patterson River in 2018. 

    There is still opportunity to get involved in shaping the local community as part of the Carrum revitalisation program and we hope to see you involved in the upcoming community forums to provide your input on the new open spaces, beach connections and urban design elements of the project.

  • Hi With overwhelming community support for maintaining ERR as a place to cross, are you going to listen and keep it open, or close it? Your points on a trench make sense and I can see it would not be viable. Extending the bridge is the only option if you are to keep ERR open and that is what the community is telling you to do. Can you point me on your website to where the results of your survey (Option 1 or Option 2) are?

    MHPRSC asked over 2 years ago

    Thanks for your question. 

    We consulted with the community on a long bridge option keeping the Eel Race Road level crossing open, and a short bridge option that would see the Eel Race Road level crossing closed in late 2016. 

    We overwhelmingly heard there is a preference for the short bridge option. Based on this feedback we did a lot of work to ensure that the new intersection at McLeod Road would be able to cope with the demand while still easing congestion and improving overall traffic times through the new and more direct road connections. 

  • Dear LXRA Recently an Environmental effects report for Edithval and Bonbeach 7.4.17 has been released comparing environment impact for Mentone, Bonbeach and Seaford. Given we are constantly being told that Carrum presents an engineering challenge, it is difficult to understand why it was not investigated rather than Bonbeach which we were told did not present any engineering challenges to prevent rail under road for the community. However given that the sites, Bonbeach and Carrum are just 1.4 km apart and on the same sand dune, it seems possible to extrapolate the information gathered by GHD Consultant Engineeers for Bonbeach site to Carrum site. One would have expected that an environmental assessment by an international company such as GHD would be given wider focus to assess more than ground water, flooding and potential impact on the Wetlands, all of which are extremely important but the environment extends to beyond ground level and also involves weather impacts, humans, vegetation and animals • What about the impact on existing wildlife now that are proposed rail over road bridge at Carrum is proposed? The proposed 6metre to the underside of the bridge plus the 4 metre wall of the sides of the bridge plus the gantry to support the electricity will mean 15 metres minimum structure from the ground. • Carrum is only 1.5 km along the Nepean Highway and about 2 km from the beach inland. What impact will a structure which will be over a km in length have on the humans who also habitat the area? • What impact will it have on existing views? You will no longer be able to see the sunsets whilst driving west along McLeod Rd which is a feature of that road. The view towards the Patterson River will be lost. The height of the bridge will cause extensive shadow and reduce rainfall to a large section of native bush. The proposed village will be a cold and dark place. • What will be the impact on wind on pedestrians, cars and vegetation ? Will the structure create wind tunnels between the pylons like in the city? • What impact will a structure of this size have on the pelicans, pacific gulls, parrots and water birds that frequent the area. Even our local foxes that are often seen on McLeod Rd, Station street and Eel Race Rd with the removal of vegetation will move further into the suburb. • What native animals do we have in the existing tea tree and shrubbery that extends from the river to Eel Race Road? The Bonbeach site which could be reflective of the same conditions for the Carrum site means that there seems to be no geological reasons or engineering reasons which we were led to believe made a case for only one option a rail over the road option for Carrum. However the facts by GHD do not support this give the similarity of the sites between Bonbeach and Carrum. Quoting from parts of the GHD report. • The existing top of rail at the Edithvale and Bonbeach sites is approximately 6m AHD • For a Rail under Road approach it is expected that the beach / dune sand will extend approximately 2 to 5m below the invert of an excavation • The UTAF (Brighton Group) becomes thinner to the north at Bonbeach, typically less than 15 m thick, however at Bonbeach and Edithvale, the UTAF (Brighton Group) is sandier, and likely more permeable when compared to conditions in that unit at Seaford. • Based on drilling conditions and preliminary monitoring, groundwater levels are expected to be approximately 2 to 4 m below the rail level at Seaford and approximately 5 m below the rail level at Edithvale and Bonbeach. • If it is confirmed by detailed groundwater modelling studies of trench options, that negative impacts on groundwater levels/ flows could occur, then one possible mitigation option could be the use of temporary cut-off walls to prevent inflows during construction. Following construction of the tanked slab the cut-off walls could be removed to leave behind “hit and miss” retaining wall piles below the tanking slab. • At Edithvale and Bonbeach, where soils below the tanks slab are more permeable in nature, using “hit and miss” piles may help to maintain flows of groundwater around and beneath the trench. This would act to reduce the regional impact to groundwater levels. ( Fact sheets from the Bonbeach site show mapping of ground water unlikely to reach Edithvale Wetlands 2.5km from Bonbeach site which is similar distance from Carrum site to equivalent Seaford Carrum Wetlands) • In comparison, the Edithvale and Bonbeach sites are constrained by the adjacent roads, leaving limited space under a rail over road solution, which cannot provide for landscape with any longevity due to shading and lack of rainfall, leaving expanded car parking as the likely only benefit that can be provided as part of an elevated solution (How is Carrum any different!!!! that shading and lack of rainfall will not adequately provide for landscaping) • At Edithvale and Bonbeach the permeable beach and dune sands extend to a depth of around 10 to 15 m below the ground. Below this level it was found that the material at Seaford was predominantly clayey materials, while at Edithvale and Bonbeach the material is sandier, and typically more permeable. • …..the tanked structure at Edithvale or Bonbeach which will require a tanked structure with a height of approximately 3 m. Cheltenham and Mentone are likely to require a similar tanked structure to Edithvale and Bonbeach. (Mentone, Edithvale and Bonbeach will all be road over the rail so why not Carrum. It is illogical) • Preliminary modelling indicates that Rail under Road approaches at Edithvale and Bonbeach, potentially show less impacts, up to 0.1 metres of mounding and no mounding respectively at Edithvale Wetlands, compared to a similar approach at Seaford. Please list the geological and environmental problems that have been canvassed necessitating the road over rail that was essential for Carrum, The facts as presented by LXRA do not stack up. If rail under road is the best option for Bonbeach site so it will be for Carrum with more road access to Nepean hwy and less environmental impact. Railways for centuries have been through cuttings as the safest, most cost effective and maintenance free solution. Why change? If you want evidence of the Carrum graffiti just look at the road, fences and bridge at EEL Race Road over the Kannook Creek and this is a frequent occurrence even though the City of Frankston is diligent in removing graffiti whereas the City of Kingston is not. If we need a monolith to the engineers of the LXRA then we can create a statue in the new park rather than an ugly, ugly bridge. It could grace the north end at Patterson River which would able to be created by landscaping and views over to Anzac memorial at the river mouth if the road over rail option was adopted. Not all bridges need a plaque to the engineers involved. They could be recognized in a more 21stC and environmentally and community supported manner. An argument that LXRA states is that the new Carrum station must be co-located with the existing shops to revitalise then and we ask why • The shops will revitalise with shop specific parking not a congested rail carparking and shop parking competing for inadequate parking for both. Carrum biggest asset is its beach and LXRA wants to hide that behind a 15m barrier. The shops will revitalise with services that are accessible. • The Station street McLeod Road and 20 metres further McLeod Road and Nepean Hwy/ Post Office Lane is going to be super busy despite traffic modelling saying it will relieve traffic by 50% but then it will add 21% Eel Race Road closed traffic having to go around the long way. McLeod Road is so busy now it needs an 80% reduction now without closing Eel Race Road just for local residents to get out of their streets to enter Mc Leod Road. Future projected traffic from Cranbourne West, Sandhurst and Carrum Downs to Carrum is immense and the community is not coping now with excessive railway carparking in residential streets and traffic from those areas. • Which shops particularly need train access? The businesses on the Nepean highway who suffer from inadequate parking struggle to attract customers with frequent under utilised properties. This will change if shops have their own car parking is outside the shops and beach parking is from the Patterson River to Mc Leod Road will bring visitors to those shops. Railway commuter carparking is best located from McLeod Road to Walkers Road with as much access as possible from Nepean highway, McLeod Road and Station Street. Connecting local buses then could be located directly outside the station or within the car park. The Carrum Laundry will not be affected – No one brings their laundry by train as there is a coin laundry in Seaford and Bonbeach. The 2 Coffee shops, deli, butcher, chemist, newsagent, hairdresser, fish and chips and 2 pizza shops may pick up passing trade but why ruin the environment for the community and visitors when the state government will purchase any homes or business adversely affected by the project. It is to the community benefit that businesses that employ people on wages and pay tax are preferable to employers who pay casuals cash in hand so it is in the communities benefit that unviable and unethical businesses are discouraged. Some businesses in hospitality and retail industry are known for its exploitation of their workforce and as a community we should seek stronger economy for Carrum. An attractive environment will attract restaurants and development and their is huge potential in the area if views and seamless transition to the beachfront is created. Think of Anglesea and Torquay shops and beachfront. The Wishing Well, a local bar and the drive through bottle shop. With a 500m alcohol exclusion zone around the station and shops and beach necessitated by alcohol fuelled violence. This does not include the excessive alcohol already consumed on site and the problems which frequently present on the street and neighbourhood. The Wishing well provides no entry door security stationed on the street to monitor patrons or when they leave the site. With the pedestrian crossing from the train linking to the footpath outside the bar it is a very undesirable area for many commuters and families. Whilst we live within 500m from the station everyone in our household and visitors are picked up at night from the station by car as it is an unsafe area for all ages and sexes with unwanted advances, poor lighting, and heavily intoxicated and drug affected individuals frequenting the area. The introduction of the PSOs when they are at the Carrum station will walk you to the waiting car train pick up space which is a great service as it is horrible waiting, even safe inside your car, near the bar at night. It is worse for commuters who have to walk through all the shops into McLeod Road to wait for connecting buses. By contrast, the Cove and the Riviera Hotel is a safe and supervised environment and appropriately located facility for the community and meets the needs of those who seek alcohol and meals and in walking distance from the Carrum Railway station. • Carrum has a higher than expected crime rate and congesting the area with a station close to the shops will exacerbate the problem. We need Carrum to be open and well lit with lots of CCTV. As a family we have had a number of personal experiences of crime even in daylight. At 4.30 pm in the afternoon, on the way home from school after commuting from school to Carrum station, our 14 year old son was punched in the nose and robbed for his wallet. He required ENT surgery for a broken nose and developed anxiety using the train. It occurred 10 metres from Mc Leod Road and Station Street corner. In June 2016, our daughter’s car was stolen from Valetta Street, hooned for 18 hours, till it ran out of petrol which completely destroyed rear axle of a Hyundai diesel i30, causing a $20,000 write off. Despite only 4000 residents in Carrum, it is a linking suburb for many other areas. Carrum station and environment has frequent violence, car thefts and graffiti. The toilet block is unsafe to use. The ATM at the fish and chip shop has benches poorly placed due to bad streetscape by the City of Kingston. At this narrowed section of footpath youths and adults congregate and harass people passing by and ATM users for cigarettes, money for train tickets, requests to buy them alcohol from the drive through bottleshop. They are wanting money for drug deals and alcohol. We are fortunate enough to have a car to be able to drive 3km to Patterson Lakes for more accessible parking, safer environment and bigger range of shops rather than walk or drive 500m to Carrum. • If Eel Road is closed many families are going to be extremely disadvantaged having to drive their children to Carrum Primary school and the Patterson River Secondary College. There is estimated an extra 3.5km from Nepean highway to the new rail crossing point at Mcleod Road and back to Eel Race Road for the secondary college families. That is an extra 7km for a parent in the morning and 7 km each evening extra to get their child/children to the high school. Large numbers of students are driven due to the distance from the Highway. Of 1100 students, many hundred are driven to or from school each day. A family will have an extra 70 km a week and 2800 a year because of the closing of EEL Race Road. The environmental impact and cost to individuals of hundreds of families having to do 2,800 extra km a year to take their children to school is immense without the extra 10 minutes each way and congestion it causes. The 10 minutes each way, at twice a day equates to 40 minutes extra a parent will spend in the car each day, 200 minutes a week and 8000 minutes a year or 13.8 hours a year or almost 2 working because engineers at LXRA thinks it is a good idea to close EEL Race Road. We are sure if they were driving their children to school before work and it added 40 minutes to their commute they would rethink the common sense of their short sighted proposal of wasting 2 days of your life unecessarily in your car because LXRA engineers think that closing Eel Race road is a good idea. Congesting Carrum will not make it safer and we will have the same dog leg that now exists in reverse. • Mentone station is proposed for a multi storey car park. Where is the proposal for Carrum to get the cars off the street so that car, pedestrians, bike can commute safely? We need to have visibility when decision making instead of taking your life in your hands whenever trying to enter Mc Leod Rd from all streets on both sides of McLeod Road and all the way through to Patterson Lakes. If it is too dangerous to have a supervised school crossing at McLeod Road which was removed by the council, then how safe is it for pedestrians currently trying to cross McLeod Road. If Carrum station is moved 300 metres south from its existing position a multi storey carpark should be built opposite Aldi. For current needs a double storey carpark will suffice but for future needs the structure should be installed for additional storeys to be added as the need increases. As Seaford station car parking becomes full by 7am many commuters will not pay for parking at the nearby soccer reserve on Railway Parade and drive onto Carrum and park in the residential streets at Carrum which is also full by 7am. Moving the station 300m has many advantages - • Greater access to the station by Seaford residents if an entry to the station is near EEL Race Road and the main entrance at Walker Rd and Nepean Hwy or facing the multi storey carpark which is built Mc Leod Road . • Eel Race Road can stay open • Ample room for a multi storey car park cnr Mc Leod Road and Station Street/ Nepean Hwy with access from Nepean Hwy, Station Street and McLeod Road. • Ample room for street scaping and shop car parking which will revitalise Carrum and bring local residents back to Carrum with a bigger variety of shops with parks linking Station Street to Anzac memorial at the river mouth. More free beach parking for visitors. As a family we have put thousands of hours in a voluntary work into the community and continue to do so. We do not want Carrum site ruined by poor planning and design. Our children have school friends whose parents were engineers involved in the building of the channel tunnel from England to France and numerous other projects in Switzerland. It is really difficult to believe that Carrum is challenging site as much as the engineers claim it is. The GHD would not support this conclusion if Bonbeach site is similar geologically and environmentally similar to Carrum. We conclude that decisions were made without proper investigations of the site and the engineers are not considering the community, the environment and we do not want to be left with an embarrassment that we will have to explain to visitors as a “ugly stuff up” due to haste and lack of due process. Delay Carrum project is better than a white elephant. As a family we have changed our position and do not support the proposed rail over the road option anymore as there seems no reasonable reason for it. As a family of 5 taxpayers and voters, and despite supporting the current government for the past 10 years and applauding the removal of level crossings, if it becomes an election issue next year we will vote to stop a rail over road decision proceeding as we can see no benefit in it, given the current knowledge that is published by LXRA. Your Sincerely, Local residential family

    Local residental family asked over 2 years ago

    Hi there, thank you for your detailed enquiry. 

    We identified early on that a compliant rail trench in Carrum would not be possible due to the close proximity of McLeod Road to the Patterson River, which is why both of the options presented to the community during 2016 for consultation were rail bridge options. 

    Following further detailed technical investigations and consideration of the feedback received by the community, the Victorian Government will close the level crossings at Station Street, Eel Race Road and Mascot Avenue and construct a 900m rail bridge over an extended McLeod Road. As part of the Carrum Level Crossing Removal Project, a new Carrum station will be built, Station Street will be connected over the Patterson River, and the Carrum train storage facility will be relocated to a site at Kananook in Seaford.

    Traffic studies formed an important part of our technical investigations. Traffic patterns were monitored to give us an understanding of traffic counts and movements through Carrum. This information was used to model predicted future traffic volumes and movements, which will result from the redistribution of traffic following the level crossing removals. 

    The modelling shows that traffic flows will be significantly improved, with the majority of journeys through the McLeod Road intersection expected to experience a significant reduction in travel time, compared to current conditions. A marginal increase of under 1.4km in travel distance can be expected for those who travel from Eel Race Road and use the intersection to head south towards Frankston. Once vehicle access between Eel Race Road and the Nepean Highway is closed, this journey can be made either by accessing the McLeod Road intersection or travelling on Railway Parade to Seaford Road, where we are also removing a level crossing.

    We understand that some members of the community are concerned about the closure of Eel Race Road, and the changes to the way they travel around Carrum. The new road connections across the Patterson River and extension of McLeod Road to the Nepean Highway will create a more direct and efficient road network. 

    By reconfiguring the road network and removing the dangerous level crossings in Carrum it will be safer and will improve traffic flow as vehicles will no longer need to wait for boom gates. For the 12,000 vehicles that use McLeod Road every day, travel time will decrease by  up to 50% through this area because of the new extension, and removal of the level crossing. 

    The new McLeod Road/Nepean Highway intersection will: 

    - be designed to improve safety and traffic flow, including managing traffic that currently uses Eel Race Road; 

    - have capacity for future growth in the area; and 

    - efficiently cater to the changes in traffic movements through the area once Eel Race Road is closed. 

    Over the past decade there have been 41 reported safety incidents at the three level crossings being removed. The Eel Race Road level crossing is Carrum's most dangerous, with 15 reported safety incidents. The level crossing is also used as a rat-run for drivers trying to avoid the traffic through central Carrum - six out of ten vehicles that use the Eel Race Road level crossing turn north towards Bonbeach and the City. Closing this level crossing will make the area safer, reduce rat running through local streets and encourage drivers onto the brand new connections in Carrum, which are designed to cope with predicted traffic volumes.   

    Thank you for your feedback about the design solution. The Victorian Government has made a decision that this is the design we will seek a construction partner to build, including the closure of Eel Race Road. While this may be disappointing, there is still opportunity to be involved in shaping Carrum for the future by being involved in our upcoming community workshops. 

    We will be holding a series of community workshops in Carrum in May to discuss the Carrum Revitalisation Program and urban design aspects of the project. We want to get ideas from the community on the what they would like to see in the spaces that will be opened up by the rail bridge and relocation of the train storage facility, and how they want Carrum to look and feel. This will include seeking input on new walking and cycling paths, improved local connections, pedestrian crossings and beach access, as well as streetscaping and landscaping. 

    You will also have the opportunity to provide your ideas online on our soon-to-be-launched Ideas Hub, if you are unable to make it to a workshop session. It would be great to get your ideas on potential uses for these spaces and to help shape what the revitalisation of Carrum will look like, and get the best outcome for the local community, so we hope you get involved. Registration for these community workshops will be available shortly on the Carrum online hub.

    We encourage you to check out the latest community update and fact sheets available in the document library on the Carrum online hub for the most up to date information on the project. If you have further questions for us after reading these materials, please do not hesitate to get in touch again.

    Thank you for taking the time to write to us to provide your feedback on the design.  


  • Disabled Access and Parking and Secure Passenger drop off and pick up area 1. Please advise how many disabled parking spaces are going to be designated for the Carrum Train Station. 2. Please advise what type of access to the raised platform will be available for persons with disabilities e.g. lift, escalator, ramp? 3. Please advise whether a secure, lit area will be available at ground level for commuters waiting for pick-ups. Thank you

    Shazzles asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Shazzles, 

    Thanks for your question. 

    PTV guidelines state that typically 2% of parking spaces are designated for priority use by people with disabilities. The parking reinstated at the new Carrum Station will comply with this requirement and provide approximately 5 DDA parking spaces. At this stage, access to the new station building is planned to be provided by both stairs and elevators. 

    While lighting and designated "pick up" spaces around the station building is yet to be determined as part of the urban design process, the final design will be well lit, easily accessible and secure. 

    We encourage you to attend one of the upcoming Community Workshops to provide your ideas on the urban design. 

    We hope you see you there, Shazzles! 

  • I don't know who you consulted but nobody that I have spoken with ,thinks that the closure of the Eel Race road crossing is a good idea! In the 6 years that I have lived here traffic along McLeod road has increased significantly with projections for the future also indicating more of the same. Why infrastructure projects never think long term , or more than 5 years down the track, is something that perplexes everyone yet seems to be so common.

    Paul Godfrey asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Paul,

    Thanks for your question. 

    We consulted with the local community on a long bridge option keeping the Eel Race Road level crossing open, and a short bridge option that would see the Eel Race Road level crossing closed in late 2016. 

    We overwhelmingly heard there is a preference for the short bridge option. We know that McLeod Road is a key transport corridor connecting the south eastern suburbs between the Nepean Highway and Melbourne's freeway network and we have been doing a lot of work with VicRoads and traffic experts to make sure this new road network will be able to cope with future growth while also easing congestion and improving overall traffic times in the area. 

  • Will any new bridges over the river or Patterson Lakes canals be lower than the lowest existing bridge over the system?

    Pondfisher asked over 2 years ago

    Thanks for your question. 

    The bridge connecting Station Street over the Patterson River is the only one being built as part of the level crossing removals in Carrum. This bridge will not be lower than the existing bridges nearby and will not impede current river traffic.

  • Would this rail line be better if it was redirected with either a tunnel, (which would take Nepean highway traffic as well as the rail) down under or over Mordiallic creek to the back of aspendale gardens /waterways , connecting with Frankston freeway and eventually penlink running both freeway and rail together? The advantages to this would be you could use the sky rail with ample parking centres along freeway at station points, new jobs in running continuous small shuttle buses down to beach fronts( very much like the park and ride arrangement used at the 2000 Olympics). The sale of railway land through the current area with housing, shops and parklands you could then narrow Nepean highway reduce the ever increasing traffic load to each fronts. Then sky rail would run with Frankston freeway up to hospital and university promting new station for expansion needs rail could either continue up Mooradoc Rd to Penlink or follow stony point line or down to rosebud. In Europe I have seen this type of arrangement where rail runs with freeways encouraging people rethink on the use of rail systems espescially when sitting in traffic conjestion. This I believe would open up our beautiful peninsula to even more users and move those attractions even closer by setting up a new canvas for our beautiful Mordiallic to Frankston beach area

    Mark Reed asked over 2 years ago

    Thank you for the detailed suggestion Mark, we appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts with us on how to better improve Melbourne's transport infrastructure. 

    The Level Crossing Removal Authority has been tasked with overseeing the safe and efficient removal of 50 of the most dangerous and congested level crossings across Melbourne. Broader public transport and road network planning is undertaken by Public Transport Victoria and VicRoads. 

    Thanks for your thoughts.

  • HI there, Greig again. Thanks for the reply. So we agree north Seaford and south Carrum residents heading south who have always accessed the Nepean Hwy at Eel race road wont drive 1.4 km in the wrong direction or an extra 3-5 mins depending on traffic to head north in order to get their southbound destination. Where we disagree is where then they will try to access the Hwy if you close Eel race rd? You suggest they will / should use Seaford rd but i doubt that will happen. Seaford rd is some 4 km from Eel race Rd? If you close Eel race road, residents heading southbound will use the next closest Hwy access which is Armstrongs Rd. The issues with that intersection are highlighted below. other residents also agree with these safety concerns. You state below..."however it will provide a safer and less congested road network for local residents" and i agree that overall it will but in the case of residents who need to head south it wont do either, quite the opposite. In this case you either add to congestion by sending all the southbound traffic that used to use Eel race rd 4km's through the backstreets of Seaford to Seaford Rd as you suggest, or residents use the less safe Armstrongs rd Hwy access. Thanks for your consideration. Greig

    Greig Barrow asked over 2 years ago

    Hello again Greig,

    Thanks for clarifying your feedback. While we agree that all level crossings are dangerous and should be removed, we have been asked by Government to look at these 50. 

    We want to encourage all members of the community to take the safest route possible once our works are complete, even if it means an extra minute or two on your journey.  Thanks again for coming back to us with your thoughts and concerns.

  • Why are you removing one of the most fluent moving access points to and from Nepean Hwy. As a long term Carrum resident and someone who travels around a large area of greater melbourne on a daily basis and crosses multiple level crossings daily l would say that Eel Race Rd Crossing is easily the most free flowing and reliable. To think that reducing 3 crossing points to the nepean hwy to just one is feasible and workable is insane and poorly thought out. For carrum and seaford residents south of McLeod Rd the Eel Race crossing allows us to avoid the horrendous "bottleneck" that already occurs at the McLeod Rd/Station St intersection.

    Peter Kirk asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Peter, 

    Thanks for your question, and sorry to hear you are feeling unsure about the capability of the new McLeod Road intersection to cope with the changes in traffic once vehicle access between the Nepean Highway and Eel Race Road is removed. 

    Prior to the decision being made to close Eel Race Road, we undertook traffic modelling to better understand how traffic uses the current Eel Race Road/Nepean Highway intersection. The modelling demonstrated that overall traffic flows through Carrum will be significantly improved under the new configuration, with the majority of traffic using McLeod Road expected to experience up to a 50% reduction in travel times through the area. A marginal increase of a couple of minutes in travel times can be expected for those who travel from Eel Race Road and use the intersection to head south towards Frankston, which will add under 1.4km to that journey. 

    Once vehicle access between Eel Race Road and the Nepean Highway is closed, these journeys can be made either by accessing the McLeod Road intersection or travelling on Railway Parade to Seaford Road, where we are also removing a level crossing. The existing congestion that occurs at the McLeod Road/Station Street intersection will be alleviated once the level crossing removals have taken place. 

    It is important to remember that significant changes to the way traffic flows through the area will result from removing the three level crossings at Mascot Avenue, Station Street and Eel Race Road, as well as connecting Station Street across the Patterson River and constructing the new McLeod Road intersection. This will take place in conjunction with other level crossings removals along the Frankston Line, further improving traffic flows overall through the area.

  • Dear LXRA My family and neighbors attended the information session in 2016 but were disappointed by being harrassed by the No Skyrail petitioners before we could even get in the door. But 12 months on I have been forced to search the internet for some facts and figures and they seem to be the only ones who are transparent with data and information. After attending this weeks community information at Carrum station and the senior project manager could not supply any facts or figures on site. It was a very unprofessional marketing excercise with proposed site maps printed in the opposite direction to the site so you had to view in reverse. I requested more information as to the distance from Eel Race Rd to Kananook be emailed to me but this was not available. I refer to the noskyrailon frankston line fact sheet that I found on the internet since I attended the Carrum booth which quotes it as 500m. Can you tell me what information is accurate and what is not as published on their no skyrailon frankston line fact sheet. Your engineer would not discuss the reason decisions had been made except that this was LXRA preferred plan and I was no referred to any reading material that could answer my questions. LXRA seems to have got some good ideas ideas from the community - to extend Station street over Patterson River and close the Mascot avenue crossing. However the design for the McLeod Rd is poor with the station relocated to McLeod Rd. The Carrum station needs to be relocated to the train storage yards and entry to the station via EeL Race Rd and Walker Street. This will allow bus terminals and taxis the full length and drop off zones to the station on both Nepean Hwy and Station Street, McLeod Rd and Eel Race Rd. The station would be 200m from the shops which could be accessed through the footpath or carpark. Train travellers are not going to but many items unless they have cars parked at the station carpark as they would need to carry them by walking, bike or bus whereas locals who have to drive to Patterson Lakes or Seaford 3 km away to access parking take their business to where they can park.The local shops could be accessed from the through the village square which also needs lots of short term parking. The current situation is that people cannot use the train drop off zones as people park in them to use the shops as on Nepean Hwy side it is 2 hour so they stop at the Station Street pedestrian crossing or Carrum level crossing, Nepean highway lights or in the middle of Nepean hwy and people just jump out of the cars. This further holds up the traffic and is extremely dangerous in Station Street and Nepean highway as cars double park because the allocated drop off zones are full of legally parked cars for the shops. Aldi has made the McLeod Rd and station street intersection especially hazardous for pedestrians as there driveway to turn in is within 20metres of the corner and access to Aldi should have been an extra 10 metres down on their boundary to give more viewing and time for turning cars to exit and enter the site. Shop owners tell me they park in Valetta Street as it is the only place that is unrestricted once the station carpark is full which is usual by 7am, There are 200+ cars in the immediate vicinity outside residential house. The Carrum primary school does not have enough car spaces for its teachers let alone parents trying to drop off and pick up children. Valetta Street has been for the past 35 years the short cut from McLeod Rd to Eel Race Rd and residents actions in putting in speed humps and rerouting the bus has done nothing to change this despite the LXRA engineers belief that people will use main roads. It appears they have not installed comprehensive data counters on all local streets in a 1km radius of the current station. Valetta Street, Walkers Rd and McLeod Rd is clogged with the overflow of the excess 200+station car parking shortage and this is 2017. What accommodations are being made for 2027 and beyond. To exit Valetta Street at McLeod Rd you weave between the excess train station parked cars as there is only room for one car in both directions to pass due to the car parked legally on both sides of the road at the McLeod Road end of Valetta St. To enter Valetta Street the bus has great difficulty manouevering between the cars and you often see parked car missing mirrors. McLeod Rd becomes blocked as cars cannot enter Valetta Street until cars coming north from Valetta Street are within the last 5metres as it is too close to the corner to park. Once you successfully get to the last 5 metres it is extremely hazardous to enter McLeod Rd due to the traffic exiting Aldi and obscuring the cars behind the cars trying to enter Aldi trying to get east down McLeod Rd. The situation is further hazardous as the legally parked over flow from the station car park obscures the cars coming from Patterson Lakes towards Carrum. The road often appears clear but is not as the smaller cars are obscured from view from the parked cars. So many accidents occur at this 1km radius of Carrum station. The same situation occurs if anyone parks on the south end of Valetta Street near EEL Race Rd. It is legal but visibility is non existent for residents due to the bend on Eel Race Rd. This is the current situation and I do not believe their traffic modelling with an extra set of lights at the Mcleod Rd and Nepean Hwy bordering a station will relieve this but will make it worse as at least now the grid lock outside the Carrum shops slows the traffic and gives the cars somewhere to patiently wait for the lights. In the future that grid lock will flow into McLeod Road as there is only a certain amount of time with light sequences that the Nepean Hwy as a major arterial can be stopped. From being a strong supporter of the governments initiative my family and neighbors feel that the design is poor. It is a very ugly structure that will divide the community because of its design and the closing of Eel Race Road blocking car access to the beach and Frankston. I personally have lived in Carrum for 35 years and hope to for the next 60 but I cannot support this design. We are better of doing nothing and living with the level crossings than ruining the coastal environment. If the fact sheets of the No Skyrail are confirmed to be correct by LXRA and I await your engineers reply, then other than the cost difference there seems to be no reason not to do Road over Rail and we would have the best of both worlds by having the station situated away from a major set of intersections McLeod/Station St and McLeod/Nepean Hwy and with a suitable gradient to meet the Patterson river rail bridge. This would also allow a gradient to be hidden in a rail siding on the Seaford LGA border and not in front of peoples hoses at the EEL Race end. Kananook Creek does not require boating access as in Eel Race Rd bridge on Eel Race Road. The figures on the water table need to be clarified as the current train line is built on the second coastal sand dune and the water table is approximately 1metre below the surface in Valetta Street which is the former river bed and there is a significant gradient to the train line from Valetta Street of several metres. More comprehensive planning by the LXRA needs to build in proper accessibility features as we have a number of people who live in Carrum who are blind or have other mobility issues who are dependent on good access to public transport and well planned and uncluttered neighborhood with easy access to shops, beach and transport access. This is a one in a hundred year project so it deserved individualised planning that meets the community and growing population not a quick fix on a rushed timeline. We should know how much it will cost as from my reading from the internet there seems to be no engineering reason to prevent that decision if the station was located away from Mcleod Rd. I am a keen supporter of the governments initiative in addressing level crossings but like many in my community we are not wowed by the brochures and videos but frustrated from exclusion from the data and there seems to be no transparency in the decision making for the Carrum site. The engineer I spoke to told me people could ride their bikes or catch buses but he is clearly not aware there is no bus from Carrum Downs to Carrum and McLeod Rd and Thompsons Rd is too dangerous for cyclists. It is the lack of through planning and understanding of a community needs that concerns me. We don't want to be consulted about bike trails and pot plants after the design flaws emerge. I was a strong supporter of the skyrail, my family and neighbors thought it could be a good thing for Carrum. However, the revitalising of Carrum proposal is definitely the most ugly design I have ever seen if the artsists impressions are correct. It will not revitalise Carrum, but providing the shops with access to parking for shops will revitalise Carrum on the Nepean hwy side and the Station street side. Closing off EEL Race Rd is ridiculous idea as it will create a further bottle neck at McLeod Rd as parents who drive their children to Carrum Primary School and Patterson River SC and use the Eel Race Rd crossing now have to go into McLeod Rd via the Highway and down station street and in theory down Eel Race Rd but because of the station traffic will go through Valetta Street or Walkers Rd. The engineers naively think that people will use the main road but experience with vehicle numbers through Valetta Street means that most people cut through to avoid the McLeod Rd traffic lights and will no doubt avoid the McLeod Rd and Station Street traffic lights. So effective the design will replicate the existing traffic jam in Station street but instead of being in front of the shops it will be in McLeod Rd in both directions and down Nepean hwy in both directions awaiting to get into Mcleod Rd which will restrict Nepean Hwy down to one lane unless they remove the existing parking for the shops on Nepean Highway. Please contact me with detailed information as this local community information is not new and was supplied on the initial information night early in 2016 by more residents than I. The LXRA should be an independent authority that advises the government but who also comprehensive communicates and collaborates with the stakeholders and is transparent in its decision making. I have notified our local MP that I do not believe this is occurring. As taxpayers we will be financing this project for years to come we do not want another "yellow peril".

    Carrum resident asked over 2 years ago

    Thank you for contacting us with your detailed feedback. We've answered a few of your questions here but it may be best to either email or call us to have a more in-depth conversation.  

    Relocating Carrum Station to Eel Race Road would take it outside of the activity area, which would have a negative impact on local traders who rely on foot traffic in the local area and would also impact those who rely on public transport to access the shops. 

    A second station entrance will be constructed closer to Eel Race Road as part of the Carrum Level Crossing Removal Project, to create easier access for residents walking to the station from the area. 

    We have undertaken traffic modelling that shows traffic flow will be improved with the new McLeod Road intersection including with the predicted increase in traffic from Eel Race Road. The new intersection design and traffic light sequence will be optimised to provide up to a 50% decrease in travel times for McLeod Road drivers. 

    The new McLeod Road intersection, along with the new Station Street bridge over the Patterson River, will create more direct road links and will be designed to encourage through traffic to use the direct routes between major roads rather than using local streets.  

    Parking is another issue we have been hearing from the community. We'll work closely with the local Council, the community and traders to work out the best outcome for provision of untimed commuter parking and timed parking for those accessing the shops on Nepean Highway and Station Street in Carrum.  

    The images in our brochures are artist impressions. We're holding workshops in late April/May to hear from the community about how they would like the revitalisation to improve their local area including the look and feel of the bridge.  We'll be advertising the dates for the workshops shortly. 

    Please do not hesitate to contact the Project Team directly to discuss the project in greater detail. Thank you!

  • Where does the rail bridge begin on the north side of the Paterson River please? How gradual is the gradient needed to cross the river? Please include the gradual rise to full height in your answer to my first question.

    Rosalie asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Rosalie, 

    Thanks for sending us your question. 

    The existing rail bridge over the Patterson River will not be touched as part of the level crossing removals. The rail bridge through Carrum will begin to ramp up on an embankment on the Carrum side of Patterson River - reach its highest point over the new McLeod Road intersection with the Nepean Highway - it will grade back down to ground level after the station and be back at ground level approximately 150-200 metres prior to reaching Eel Race Road. To achieve this, the level crossings at Mascot Avenue, Bonbeach and Station Street and Eel Race Road, Carrum will be closed. The maximum gradient allowed is 2%, as the Frankston Line currently caters to freight trains and this is the design standard we are required to meet. 

    We encourage you to take a look at the maps in the document library on the online hub to check out the concept design. 

    Thanks Rosalie.

  • Hi, further to my message earlier today, I submit the following: By trenching Carrum Station and continuing south just beyond the Eel Race Road crossing, the trench could be covered where needed to provide superior vehicle and pedestrian crossing, extra station car parking and superior landscaping without the sky-rail. The "boulevard" feel that the LXRA are promoting could be better achieved with this design solution with the combination of no sky-rail and removal of the train stabling. Kind regards, MikeT.

    MikeT asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Mike, 

    As mentioned previously, a rail trench is not possible for Carrum and will not be progressed. 

    We do thank you for joining in the conversation and hope to get your feedback on aspects of the project that are open for input from the community at one of our workshops that are being held later this month.

  • I have listened to and looked at all available material from the LXRA. From local experience of over 40 years living in the Seaford/Carrum area and a regular commuter to/from Eel Race Road and Nepean Highway, the proposed closure of the ERR crossings is a very big mistake. It will cause major disruption and detriment to traffic flow in and out of this precinct - Seaford North and Carrum South. If you had done proper studies of the EER crossing, you would discover that it is very important to this area, is neither dangerous nor congested. Many thousands have been spent over the years to improve road access to and from this area over this crossing. Despite not having traffic lights, it is open, and works safely and well. Regular users of this crossings all seem to be of the opinion that this is one of the safest crossings in the Melbourne Metro area. Closing vehicular access at this crossing will cause increased congestion at Carrum's only access to Nepean Highway, cause increased economic and environmental cost by re-routing traffic, parallel to Nepean Hwy along Station Street and Railway Pde. Rail under road is by far the best solution for Carrum Station and the ERR crossing. It will facilitate safer vehicular and pedestrian crossings at ERR and McLeod Road, remove the physical rail barrier dividing Carrum, reduce noise from trains, in particular the late night freight trains, maintain current efficient traffic flows to minimise economic and environmental impacts, minimise graffiti oportunities and importantly to maintain the relaxed seaside ambiance of Carrum. I realise that this solution produces a small challenge to the design team in relation to the gradients and clearances in relation to the train track and the McLeod Rd crossing. I don't accept that this is insurmountable however and also it is not necessary to have Carrum Station directly opposite the existing mixed use shops. Carrum Station has recently been upgraded at great expense and so if the best over all solution that I have articulated above is not currently affordable in the current budget, this work should be delayed until it can. Spend the remaining budget on more urgent locations. Thank you, Michael T.

    MikeT asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Michael, 

    Thank you for contacting us with your thoughts on the potential impacts of the level crossings removals on the local area. While Eel Race Road may not be one of the most congested level crossings, it certainly is one of the most dangerous - with one of the highest number of reported safety incidents of any level crossing being removed along the Frankston Line. 

    The engineering challenges presented by the proximity of McLeod Road to the Patterson River make it impossible to construct a compliant rail trench through the area without re-aligning McLeod Road 150m further south, essentially reversing the existing 'dog leg' road configuration which would not reduce existing congestion in the area, and relocating Carrum Station 350m from its current location. 

    This would place it entirely outside of the activity area and would have a negative impact on traders who rely on the foot traffic in the area from public transport users, and also impacts those who rely on public transport to access the shops. This option would not provide the best outcome for the community and would lead to further congestion and negative impacts to local traders, residents and public transport users. 

    We received feedback from the community last year that a rail bridge was of concern to the community, this also influenced the decision to have the shorter rail bridge in Carrum. The design solution for Carrum has now been approved and we will be seeking a construction partner to deliver the project throughout 2017, with construction expected to begin in 2018. 

    While consultation on the design solution itself is no longer available, we will be holding a series of workshops in Carrum from late April to discuss urban design aspects of the project and get ideas from the community on what they would like to see in the spaces that will be opened up by the rail bridge. If you would like to attend, it would be great to get your feedback on potential uses for these spaces and to help shape what the revitalisation of Carrum will look like. 

    Thanks for your input, Michael. 

  • Eel race rd closure not a good idea. Hi there, closing Eel race rd will mean the North Seaford residents who need to head south (not everyone living in the area heads north all the time) will instead be forced to use Armstrong rd to cross Kananook Creek and the train line to gain access to Nepean Hwy. They wont head north to the new Mcleod rd intersection (which will be a huge improvement so well done on those plans) to do a u turn to head south again. The Armstrong road entrance onto Nepean Hwy is already dangerous. Its on an incline giving limited visibility to oncoming traffic (when turning left onto the Hwy) and there are regularly parked cars close to the intersection further limiting visibility. While the turning lane on the Nepean Hwy (right turn) into Armstrong road that North Seaford residents use to get home (when heading North from Frankston) is also dangerous as is very short and narrow and can often already sit there in between 4 lanes of busy traffic for lengthy periods. This already dangerous intersection will only get busier if access to / from Nepean Hwy and Eel race rd is cut off. Has this been considered in your plans and if so what is being proposed to upgrade the Armstrong rd intersection to make it safer for the increased southbound and northbound traffic the closure of Eel race rd will create? We currently use the Eel race rd intersection for this purpose as it is much safer with traffic islands, turning and merging traffic lanes none of which exist at the Armstrong rd intersection. thank you, Greig Barrow

    Greig Barrow asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Greig, 

    Thanks for your feedback on the project. We're glad you can see the benefits of some of the changes we're making. 

    We did a lot work to understand how the traffic in the area moves and assess the impact the road network changes will have on drivers. Our investigations show that the majority of drivers that use the Eel Race Road level crossing head north and using the new McLeod Road intersection at the Nepean Highway will improve travel times. 

    For drivers that use the level crossing to head south, using the new McLeod Road intersection will add about 1.4kms to their journey and a maximum of 3.5 minutes if travelling in the afternoon peak - less if you travel outside of this time. An alternative route south for Seaford North residents is to use Railway Parade to Seaford Road where we are also removing a dangerous and congested level crossing, which will provide safe and efficient access across the Frankston line to the Nepean Highway. 

    We understand these changes will have an impact on how people get around, however it will provide a safer and less congested road network for local residents.   

  • Hi, I'd just like to say that I'm in favour or these level crossing removals and I have no issue with sky rail ,however i do totally disagree with the closure of eel race road ,to force the large volume of traffic that moves through this precinct into one crossing only is crazy based on the traffic now let alone the building volume of traffic into the future ,once you close this road with your choice we can never get this road back and we will be forced to use the very small armstrongs rd or get funnelled into your bottleneck that will be McLeod rd, I think if you did all of the rest of your project and ran the train over eel race you'd have achieved the best solution for the community of Seaford and carrum. Thanks Craig spicer

    cspicer2 asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Craig, 

    Thank you for voicing your concerns. 

    In late 2016 we consulted with the community extensively on two options to remove the level crossings in Carrum, a 1400m rail bridge over McLeod Road and Eel Race Road, and a 900m rail bridge over McLeod Road and the closure of the Eel Race Road level crossing. Following feedback from the community, the shorter rail bridge option was selected, as it will reduce the overall visual impact on the local community. 

    Minimising visual impact was something the community advocated strongly for in the feedback we recieved.  Additionally, Eel Race Road has one of the highest number of reported safety incidents of any level crossing being removed along the Frankston Line. Our studies have shown that in the AM and PM peak, 6 out of 10 drivers using Eel Race Road turn towards (or from) the city. The new McLeod Road intersection will be able to provide these drivers with direct access to McLeod Road and the Nepean Highway, and away from the local road network. 

    Traffic modelling shows that the new optimised intersection will be able to efficiently cater to this increase in traffic and will significantly improve travel times, not contribute to congestion. Traffic wishing to travel south could potentially use Railway Parade as an alternative route through to Seaford Road, where we are also removing a level crossing improving safety and reducing congestion. 

    Thank you for your input Craig, as we get to work on this important infrastructure project for the community. 

  • Effectively you are reducing three Station Street exits to the highway to one exit and claim that this will reduce congestion. This seems rather perplexing! Could you explain how this is possible? Also, how is Carrum going to maintain a village atmosphere with this extra traffic and a monolith overshadowing it?

    Leigh R asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Leigh, 

    As part of our technical investigations we undertook traffic studies. Traffic patterns were monitored to help us understand traffic counts and movements through the area, and predict the redistribution of traffic as a result of the level crossing removals. This information was used to model future traffic volumes and movements, which helped us to design the new intersection to be able to manage expected traffic flows. 

    The modelling shows that the new McLeod Road intersection will be able to cater to the changes in traffic flow that will result from closing the level crossings at Mascot Avenue, Station Street and Eel Race Road. It also shows that traffic flows will be significantly improved, with the majority of journeys through the McLeod Road intersection expected to experience a significant reduction in travel time, compared to existing arrangements. 

    If you would like to discuss the project in detail, please feel free to come by the Mobile Information Hub that is in the Carrum Station carpark this week. For dates and times that the hub will be staffed, please visit your.levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/carrum

  • In all of these skyrails how much noise baffling is being installed to make walking under them on the linear parks quiet? Evidently we are supposed to all walk under the train lines in the future... in some kind of paradise, but pictures don't show noise! sounds crazy right, as it will be so noisy... we already have enough hearing damage from traffic noise etc... None of the computer pictures of after show people walking around with ear muffs for the noise, yet none show noise baffling either, so there must be lots of noise, with trains every 5 minutes for much of the day. Whatever noise there is noise baffling will reduce it further so it should be installed.

    pat asked over 2 years ago

    Thank you for your comments, Pat. 

    The artist impressions of the rail bridge do depict indicative noise barriers. Once constructed and operational, the rail bridge will comply with the Victorian Passenger Rail Infrastructure Noise Policy (PRINP). This may include the addition of noise mitigation measures, such as noise barriers, in order to comply with the policy. Noise barriers for elevated rail are typically 1m-2m in height. 

    We will have a better idea of what is required and what that might look like as the project progresses. Investigations are underway to determine what noise mitigations, if any, are required to comply with the policy. 

    Thanks Pat. 

  • Removing Eel Race Road access to Nepean Highway will create a traffic nightmare for local Carrum residents. There are two major schools in the area and access to them is via Eel Race Road from Nepean Highway. Why should local residents be forced to go 4 kms out of their way to get to Frankston because of road closure. This means travelling through already crowded streets to McLeod Road which is already near impossible to get out of at times. Please do not close Eel Race Road to traffic. Why weren't residents consulted regarding this road closure and why is the road being closed? Thank you.

    pawbehaviour asked over 2 years ago

    Hi there, 

    We consulted and sought feedback from the community on two options during 2016. The first was to build a 1400m rail bridge over McLeod Road and Eel Race Road - the other was to build a 900m rail bridge over McLeod Road and to close Eel Race Road. 

    We found community sentiment overall was in favour of a shorter rail bridge to reduce the visual impact of a rail bridge for residents along Station Street, the Nepean Highway and the wider community. Pedestrian and cycling access will be retained between Eel Race Road and the Nepean Highway, with a new and modern pedestrian underpass to be built at Eel Race Road. Its approximately 700m between Eel Race Road and McLeod Road, so it will be a little bit further for people to travel  through the new intersection, but not 4km. 

    Thank you for sharing your concerns in regards to traffic congestion. The new McLeod Road intersection has been designed to provide for all Eel Race Road and future growth with efficient traffic flow through the area once the it is operational. It is important to note to that in the AM and PM peak, 6 out of 10 drivers using Eel Race Road turn towards (or from) the city, the new McLeod Road intersection will provide these drivers with a safer and more direct connection. 

    Thank you for contacting us with your concerns and questions.

  • hello LXRA, We are at 665 Nepean H/W. Will there be changes to car parking in front of our property? Exiting our driveway is currently extremely dangerous when cars are parked directly in front obscuring vision. If parking is allowed for all day train commuters the existing situation will be worsened. Also we are directly opposite the secondary proposed station entry. Will we be able to walk accross the highway and enter the station without needing to walk to the Eel Race road underpass? Finally please incorporate safe bike paths into all planning.

    Peter Wendt asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Peter, 

    Thanks for the questions. Parking will be maintained on the Nepean Highway, however we will look at implementing timed parking on the roads to encourage commuters to use the Carrum Station car park. 

    There will be a pedestrian crossing across the Nepean Highway at the new McLeod Road intersection and a second between McLeod Road and Eel Race Road, however the exact location of this has not yet been determined. 

    New walking and cycling paths will be included and we will be holding community workshops to get ideas from local residents about this - we would love for you to get involved when they kick off. 

    If you haven't already, you can sign up for project updates to get notifications about the workshops at levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/subscribe. Thanks for your interest in the project, Peter.

  • Does Kananook deserve LESS than Carrum...it's already a dangerous station with a primary school opposite...Really???

    Julie Butterworth asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Julie, 

    Thanks for letting us know your concerns about the safety of Kananook Station. We're a Government Authority that has been tasked with overseeing the safe and efficient removal of 50 level crossings across Melbourne by 2022. As you can probably appreciate, the rail line runs adjacent to the road at this location and without a level crossing to remove, Kananook Station was not considered for inclusion in the Level Crossing Removal Project. To clear up any confusion, the Kananook Train Storage Facility will be established in a light industrial area in Seaford, bordered by the Frankston train line, Miles Grove and Wells Road. The facility will be 200m from Kananook Station, not at Kananook Station or opposite the primary school.

  • We need to keep Eel Race Road operational as a 2nd exit out of Carrum. Also bike riders won't be able to cross safely at McLeod Road.

    Reduteman asked over 2 years ago

    Hi there, 

    Traffic modelling shows that the new optimised McLeod Road intersection will be able to efficiently cater to the traffic that currently uses Eel Race Road.  For McLeod Road traffic travel times through the new intersection expected to decrease by up to 50%. A wide and modern underpass will also be constructed at Eel Race Road to provide safe access underneath the rail line for cyclists and pedestrians, which will not affect the existing movement patterns for cyclists.

  • Will they be limiting traffic flow through Valetta street now that Eel race road will be closed. Other than that I think it will be absolutely wonderful for the Carrum area and greater access to beach & river.

    Juni asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Juni, 

    Thanks for your question. Introducing traffic calming measures to Valetta Street to discourage "rat running" through local streets is a suggestion that we have been hearing from the community. While we do not have a clear answer yet on this, it is feedback that will be considered as we work closely with VicRoads and local council on the project. The community will be kept informed on any changes to local roads as part of the project.

  • why have you not properly asked the communities what they want instead of treating them with contempt and ignorance and controlling the community info sessions the residents were not allowed to voice their opinions at the Patterson river golf club session it was a complete sham all the lxra did was tell the residents what they were getting and refused to listen to them I expected better from people who have done a great job on the springvale,nunawading,ormond,bentleigh and other railunder road projects it will be interesting to see what the Patterson river secondary college sessions will be like or can we expect the same controlling sessions from lxra

    phil chambers asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Phil, 

    In 2016 the community were consulted extensively on the two options that were under consideration for the level crossing removals in Carrum. The feedback provided by the local community fed directly into the decision to construct a 900m rail bridge over McLeod Road and close the Eel Race Road level crossing. 

    The Mobile Information Hub that will be back in Carrum next week will provide the community with the opportunity to learn about the design solution and ask the project team any questions they may have about the project. 

    In April/May 2017, we will be running community workshops to get suggestions and feedback from the local community in regards to urban design elements of the project and potential uses for the community spaces that the rail bridge will open up in Carrum.

  • Will you still be able to cross onto Nepean Hwy from Eelrace Rd? If not this will cause a huge amount of traffic to be redidirected to McLeod rd through the side streets which which will make it just as conjested as it is now. I am hoping you will still be able to cross under the new raised rail line.

    Sandy Ronke asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Sandy,

    Eel Race Road has a low level of traffic volume compared with other level crossings - with approximately 5,500 vehicles using this crossing daily. The majority of this traffic, however, is travelling north along the Nepean Highway and using the less congested crossing to access McLeod Road and avoid the existing Station Street 'dog leg'. The new McLeod Road intersection will provide a direct and significantly more efficient route for this traffic, allowing Eel Race Road to be closed and a 900m rail bridge to be constructed. 

    During community consultation last year, the feedback we recieved was in support of seeing a shorter rail bridge in Carrum in order to minimise the visual impact. Pedestrian and cycling access will be retained, with a new and modern underpass to be built at Eel Race Road to allow safe access to the Nepean Highway (and towards the beach) underneath the rail line. 

    If you're concerned and wish to discuss the changes in Carrum in more detail, please feel free to stop by our Mobile Information Hub, which will be in the Carrum Station carpark next week. For the full list of dates and times, please visit your.levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/carrum. Thanks Sandy! 

  • Why don't you extend the rail bridge across to the other side of Eel Race road. That way you would open up all the land under the bridge for pedestrian access to the beach, and parkland. This would look more pleasant, and be more practical for residents living along Station st, and in the surrounding area. You could look directly across to Nepean hwy and the beach, rather than having a large embankment blocking all the view and access. Also this would allow you to leave Eel Race rd open to Nepean Hwy, greatly reducing the grid lock this plan is going to cause on McLeod Rd, and Station St at BonBeach and Chelsea. The amount of traffic in peak times from Patterson River Secondary College and surrounding Seaford streets will be too high for a single access point to Nepean Hwy.

    Peter Marko asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Peter, 

    Thanks for your suggestion to construct an extended rail bridge over Eel Race Road and retain vehicle access through to Nepean Highway. This is the other option we consulted the community on during 2016. We found that community sentiment overall was in favour of a shorter rail bridge to reduce the visual impact of a rail bridge for residents along Station Street, the Nepean Highway and the broader community. 

    Our traffic modelling does show that the new optimised McLeod Road intersection will be able to cater to the changes in traffic movements through the area once Eel Race Road is closed, and that the majority of journeys through the new intersection will see a reduction in travel times of up to 50%. 

    Thank you for your suggestion Peter, and for being involved in the project.

  • The issue of car parking spaces worries me from sketches you have issued for the Carrum project. Will you please advise if the will be any loss of spaces with proposed new development. There is a significant lack of parking spaces at present, all available spaces are taken by around 7:00AM.,it would be great if some thought could be given in the detailed design stage to increasing the current number of car parking spaces

    Ron Espie asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Ron, 

    Thanks for your question. 

    At a minimum, there will be no net loss of parking resulting from the level crossing removals in Carrum. We are hearing from the community that parking is an issue and we will be consulting on this at the community workshops during April/May. 

    The rail bridge provides the opportunity to reinstate more parking than is currently available, as the community spaces opened up underneath the structure could potentially be partially used for this purpose - if that is what the community feels the best use of the space would be. 

    Thank you for letting us know your thoughts on the parking issue, Ron!

  • As a long term resident and user of Eel Race Road. I'm concerned about being 'funneled' to Station Street and 'battling' the traffic issues that will ensue...it's a nightmare now to use this area. I avoid that area now and use Eel Race Road, sometimes. several times a day. This crossing (Eel Race Road) was upgraded with boom gates and raised track and has been relatively 'safe' for many, many years. Why the rush now to close it??? I understand the idea to eliminate rail crossings, but this crossing has many good years use left and until vehicle access can be assured to Nepean Hwy...HANDS OFF!!! This 'backyard' is ours for the moment, in trust for the future generations. Most of the locals here, still, are not aware that there is an intention to close the access to Nepean Hwy. I do protest...LOUDLY!!! I do not want to spend time, and money to travel that extra distance all the time...when it's totally avoidable... I can no longer 'walk' to the beach and I use this crossing to access, Keast Park, Carrum Bowling Club, Crackerjack, Woolies Fuel, The Riviera Hotel...etc...these businesses will suffer, as the locals, will not be able to access quickly, like they do now and may end up going elsewhere... Also, very angry that we didn't receive notifications about the consultations that occurred last year...I'm not the only person to be saying this either... HANDS OFF CLOSING THE EEL RACE ROAD RAIL CROSSING TO ACCESS NEPEAN HIGHWAY!!!

    2kara asked over 2 years ago

    Hi there,

    The Eel Race Road level crossing is the most dangerous crossing in Carrum and has one of the highest rates of reported safety incidents of any that are being removed along the Frankston Line. At the moment with the level crossing at Station Street, traffic is held up for 49 minutes of the 2 hour morning peak, nearly half the time drivers can't move. 

    We appreciate that closing vehicle access to the Nepean Highway will alter your normal routine, however once we remove the level crossings and connect McLeod Road the area will be much more efficient overall.  The majority of drivers currently using the Station Street level crossing will see a reduction in travel time of up to 50%, through the new McLeod Road intersection and the intersection has been designed to provide for Eel Race Road traffic and future growth.  

    You will also not lose your walking access to the beach, as a new modern pedestrian and cycling underpass will be built at Eel Race Road to allow safe access to the Nepean Highway. 

    Thanks for your feedback.

  • Closing Eel race road is going to be a disaster. Not only will more traffic be diverted to McLeod road which will absolutely have an affect on the congestion there, but also those of us that use Eel race Rd will now have to backtrack to head towards Frankston. Such a dumb decision from people who don't know the area #angry

    Melc asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Mel, 

    We're sorry to hear you are feeling frustrated by the decision to close Eel Race Road. Prior to the decision being made, detailed traffic modelling was undertaken to understanding how traffic use the current Eel Race Road/Nepean Highway intersection. The modelling shows that overall traffic flows through Carrum will be significantly improved, with the majority of traffic using the McLeod Road intersection getting up to a 50% reduction in travel times. 

    A marginal increase in travel times can be expected for those who use the intersection to head south towards Frankston. Once vehicle access between Eel Race Road and the Nepean Highway is closed, these journeys can be made either by accessing the McLeod Road intersection or travelling to Seaford Road, where we are also removing a level crossing. 

    If you would like to discuss the closure of Eel Race Road with a member of the project team, please feel free to come by the Mobile Information Hub, which will be back in Carrum next week. For dates and times please visit your.levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/carrum 

  • I strongly disagree with closing the Eel Race Rd crossing. There is rarely huge traffic congestion there and with Stn St being extended over Patterson river - this will alleviate a lot of congestion for Nepean Hwy. By closing eel race rd you will add congestion to Stn St/McLeod Rd. Just leave it as is. It's an important thoroughfare for Seaford residents. It is also the direct route towards Patterson River Secondary college. Have you not considered this?

    Netts asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Netts, 

    This was an option we considered and consulted the local community on during 2016, about a long bridge which would keep the Eel Race Road connection and a short bridge which would see it closed. Overall, we found the community preferred the option of a shorter rail bridge to reduce visual impact for residents. While Eel Race Road may not be the most congested level crossing, it is the most dangerous in Carrum in terms of reported safety incidents - and needs to be removed. 

    Traffic modelling demonstrates that the new optimised McLeod Road intersection will be able to cater to the changes in traffic movements through the area once Eel Race Road is closed, and that the majority of journeys through the new intersection will see a significant reduction in travel time. 

    Thanks for your feedback.

  • Should the new Carrum Station to have new train tracks without the trains to termainate at Carrum during the PM Peak Monnday to Friday? Trains to Carrum on the PM Peak Monday to Friday can now altered and extended to stop all stations to Frankston without terminating trains.

    Michael Ngo asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Michael, 

    Thank you for contacting us with your question in regards to Carrum Station and train services along the Frankston Line. If you would like to have a chat about this and discuss the project in more detail, please call us on 1800 762 667. We look forward to hearing from you.

  • Will any of our traditional direct beach access, via the entire pedestrian path leading from Railway parade, directly adjacent Coolibar Ave, crossing over the Kananook creek dedicated pedestrian bridge, along the Kananook Creek Weir past the Rivera Hotel, then over the Nepean Highway to adjacent beach access path, be interrupted or interfered with, either short term, or long term, in particular the actual Rail crossing that exists along this path at this point? This is a most popular direct access route the beach for residents in this zone, and as we have utilized it daily for over 30 years ourselves, we would bring to your attention the importance of this access route to many residence in this area, and its ongoing existence into the future.

    Sean & Marianne asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Sean & Marianne,

    Thanks for your question. 

    The pathways and pedestrian rail crossing you are referring to behind the Riviera Hotel will not be impacted by this project. As part of the project, we will be installing a pedestrian and cyclist underpass at the existing Eel Race Road level crossing, which will provide safer access across the rail line when the project is complete. 

    We understand that beach access is important to the local community and we will be wanting to hear from the community about ways we can improve this at our community engagement workshops in April/May 2017, so we encourage you to get involved when they kick off. 

    Sign up for project updates to get notifications about when they will start: levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/subscribe

  • Further to previous question re capacity to add extra tracks through Carrum, you said that you're using the PTV NDP which says two tracks south of Mordialloc. Which version of the PTV Metropolitan NDP are you referring to? My understanding is that the 2012 version has since been superseded in a few areas which will be reflected in the next edition, whenever that happens. I don't know whether the superseded sections are relevant here, but hopefully you can find out? Aside from that, my suggested change was relatively minor, shifting the alignment around 5m east through the station site. What effect would that have on project delivery, cost etc?

    David S asked over 2 years ago

    Hi David, 

    Thanks for the follow up question. 

    The Level Crossing Removal Project is a key infrastructure project to future-proof our city's transport networks as Melbourne continues to grow. The NDP is a document that is managed by PTV and we're unable to comment on future plans not yet released, however we do work closely with PTV and all road, rail and public transport authorities in the design and development of our projects to ensure the best possible outcomes. 

    Shifting the alignment 5 metres east through the station site would introduce a horizontal curve. As horizontal and vertical curves should not be co-located the horizontal curve would extend the distance required to raise the rail line. This would mean the rail line would not be at a sufficient height over McLeod Road to achieve the required road clearance under the bridge of 5.4m. Thanks for your continued interest in the project. 

    If you would like to have a chat to our engineers, feel free to pop in to our mobile information hub when it returns to Carrum on Monday 27 March 2017. 

  • Is station street on the bonbeach side being road ( not just pedestrian) bridge connected to the new mcleod road intersection . If not then effectively you will have only one access from bonbeach southbound from bondi road. This will cause more congestion and more accidents will it not?

    Brian 2 asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Brian,

    The new Station Street bridge over the Patterson River will be for drivers, cyclists and pedestrians and will connect to the new McLeod Road intersection. This will provide a safer and more efficient crossing point across the rail line than the existing level crossings do.

  • The reluctance to move the station further South to allow it into the trench has been given because of the existing shops. Carrum village will be revamped with new shops and existing shops ( currently old and needs an uplift too ). As there will the new bridge on Patterson river, the existing shops will continue to be vibrant. Rail in trench and road over is much better than the current proposal. Issue will be the traffic flow from Station St to Nepean Hwy as Eel Race road and other crossing will be closed. Note that even when the road over rail goes over a little humped bridge can be a possibility.

    Khimlamsikong asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Khim, 

    Thanks for your comment. To allow for a rail trench the road connection between Station Street and the Nepean Highway would need to be moved 150m south of McLeod Road with the new Carrum Station located on southern side of this new road connection raising several problems. It would place the new station about 180m away from the nearest shop and well outside of the local shopping area, which would have a negative impact on traders. 

    It would also mean that McLeod Road could not be directly connected to the Nepean Highway and would divert the 12,000 vehicles that use McLeod Road each day along Station Street, simply reversing the current road network that currently contributes to congestion in the local area.

    A rail trench would also result in a huge loss of land that can be utilised for commuter parking. To offset the parking lost, a multi-storey car park would need to be built over the rail trench at the southern end of where the new station would be. This would mean that commuter parking, bus and taxi access is separated from local shops, reducing passing pedestrian and vehicle traffic for local traders and limiting access to shops for those that rely on public transport. 

    Consideration is also given to the fact that McLeod Road is a designated B-Double route and the road network needs to be built to allow safe access for these vehicles.

  • How will this effect the current parking on nepean hwy particularly no. 643 ? Will these parking spaces be removed???

    Jeanette saracino asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Jeanette, 

    Thanks for your question. There will be no net loss of parking in the local area, however some parking locations will change. 643 Nepean Highway will be next to the new McLeod Road intersection, which means it will no longer be safe to have parking directly in front of the property. Parking on the Nepean Highway will be maintained and we will be incorporating parking for local traders in the proposed village square. 

    We understand that these are big changes and feedback on parking is important for us to achieve the best outcome in our final design, so we encourage you to get involved in our community workshops coming up in April/May 2017. 

    Sign up for project updates to get notification at levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/subscribe.

  • Hi, I'm not sure if I understand the closure of Eel Race Rd correctly. Is the access from Eel Race Rd to the highway going to be closed ?

    Seana asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Seana, 

    Thanks for the question, we are happy to clarifiy this for you. The Eel Race Road level crossing will be closed, which removes access from Eel Race Road to the Nepean Highway but retains access from Eel Race Road to Station Street. The new optimised McLeod Road intersection will provide safer and more efficient access to the Nepean Highway from Station Street.

  • Where exactly is the 900m bridge starting and finishing? Using street names along station st in carrum and seaford to be specific.

    Brent asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Brent, 

    The embankment will begin to ramp up almost immediately after the existing Patterson River rail bridge and will be back down to ground level approximately 150-200 metres prior to Eel Race Road. There may be small changes to this as we work our way through the specific details of the design. 

    If you have concerns about any potential impact to your property, please feel free to contact the Project Team on 1800 762 667 and we will be more than happy to discuss this with you. Thank you.

  • Hi, Will there be any changes to the Armstrongs Rd crossing? Will the rail line stay at the same level along Railway Parade or is it proposed that some of this will be at a higher grade?. Thank you

    Renee asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Renee, 

    The Armstrongs Road, Seaford level crossing is not one of the Frankston Line crossings to be removed as part of this package of works. Sections of Railway Parade will be elevated as you get closer to Seaford Road as part of the Seaford level crossing removal. 

    For more information please check out - your.levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/Seaford

  • When you build the new station, please give consideration to installing enough myki barriers. The new station at sunshine is an absolute disaster for this, and many people miss trains because of the lines to get through the myki gates. Please also install the quick touch on gates, like the ones at parliament station, as the usual ones take too long to touch off/on and cause congestion to get in and out of the station In peak hour.

    Keep-labor-accountable asked over 2 years ago

    Thank you for the feedback. We will work closely with Metro throughout the project to ensure the new station operates efficiently. Thanks for your input.

  • What consideration has been given to retaining the community character and profile with the "rail bridge" (sky rail) solution? A huge concrete structure in a small suburban town is a massive adjustment, which I don't believe your planners full understand (not all of us want modern, urban solutions!!). Could the new station be built with more classic materials such as brick or stone to be more sympathetic to the area, instead of steal and 'harsh' looking materials which date quickly?

    Keep-labor-accountable asked over 2 years ago

    Great question - to plan the revitalisation of the Carrum area we will be holding a series of workshops and seeking detailed feedback from the community on the look and feel of the new Carrum station, the landscaping, streetscaping and many other aspects.

    The workshops will be in April/May this year. We'll be advertising them soon and we hope you can participate and provide your input on the materials you would like to see. Thank you.

  • Will the walking path under the Paterson river bridge which leads to the beach be changed in any way? I walk along the river daily to get to Carrum strain station, and currently access station street with the zig zag ramp, but this will be demolished as part of the station street extension over the river. Will I still be able to walk along the Paterson river and access the new station street on the Carrum side in a practical way?

    Keep-labor-accountable asked over 2 years ago

    Hi there, 

    We know this access is very important to the community and we're continuing to work through how we can keep access between the river and the new bridge. We will have a clearer picture for you of just how this might look as the design is refined throughout this year. Thanks for your feedback.

  • If Eel Race Rd is closed, will there still be pedestrian access to the highway from that street?

    Eel Race Rd Pedestrian asked over 2 years ago

    Absolutely, a new modern pedestrian underpass will be constructed at Eel Race Road to allow safe pedestrian access through the area.  

  • Hi, how far from the Eel Race Rd crossing before the train returns to its current travelling height? That is, how far before the gradient of the track heading towards Frankston is returned to its existing level after the works are completed?

    Chris Carra asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Chris, 

    The train will return to its existing level about 150-200 metres before Eel Race Road. 

    Our team will be at our Mobile Information Hub in Carrum this week with some pans and images - feel free to pop in and have a chat with the team for more detail. You can find the hours we're open at http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/crossings/station-street-carrum#community

  • Has the potential incresed traffic flows on Mcloud rd been considered ? As a resident in True Ave. i am allready finding it hard to get out of our st.

    Tipps asked over 2 years ago

    Thanks for your question, Tipps. 

    Traffic modelling has been undertaken and will continue to be worked through as we develop the design, to provide the optimal outcome for the new McLeod Road intersection. 

    If you would like to discuss this is more detail with the Project Team, feel free to drop by the mobile information hub which will be in the Carrum Station car park this week. Specific times can be found here: http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/crossings/station-street-carrum#community

  • Where will the track rise? I have a townhouse at number 1 nepean hwy , seaford (just 200m south after eel race rd crossing ) What effect will it have on my property. Thanks

    je asked over 2 years ago

    Hi je, 

    Thanks for your question. The rail line will be back to ground level before Eel Race Road, so there will be no visual impact to your property. 

    To learn more about the project, feel free to drop by the mobile information hub that will be in the Carrum Station car park this week! Specific times can be found here: http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/crossings/station-street-carrum#community

  • This is an brilliant solution and I cannot wait for it to be built, when will it be opened? Having Station Street cross the river means I will rarely cross onto the beach side of the tracks again, and it will be an immense benefit in getting from Chelsea to Carrum. This is a wonderful outcome. I might even make the elevated train station at Carrum my new station of choice, now that Bonbeach station is being put underground.

    notrench asked over 2 years ago

    Thanks for your comments, we're excited about the revitalisation of the whole Carrum area too! 

    Construction on the Carrum Level Crossing Removal Project is scheduled to begin in 2018. 

    Feel free to drop by the Mobile Information Hub to discuss the project in greater detail with theproject team. The times we're in Carrum can be found here: http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/crossings/station-street-carrum#community

  • With the extension of station street across the river will locals still be able to access the river from the top end of Mascot street. At the moment you can walk down from the end of station st to the river and out to the beach without crossing station st/train line/Nepean highway.

    NAdamson asked over 2 years ago

    Thanks for your question. 

    We understand that safe access to the beach and river is important to the local community. This pedestrian access will be maintained and we're currently looking into how we can get the best outcome. Ideas and feedback on walking and cycling paths is something that we will want to hear more about at our community workshops in April/May 2017. 

    If you haven't already, sign up for project updates to stay up-to-date on when these will be held: http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/subscribe

  • Why does the proposed rail have to be so high? The height is what I have a major problem with.

    Tralee asked over 2 years ago

    Thanks for your question, Tralee. 

    The height of the bridge is influenced by the road clearance required under it, which in this case is 5.4m as McLeod Road is a VicRoads B-Double route. 

    This bridge will be a similar in height to most rail bridges in Melbourne.

  • What was behind the decision to use two side platforms rather than a single island platform for the new station?

    David S asked over 2 years ago

    Hi David,

    At this stage, the design of the station is concept only, and will be further developed once a construction partner is on board.

  • Looking at the plot diagrams, what would it take to shift the rail ramps north and south of the station site, approx. 5m west? That would permit future expansion to four tracks if/when necessary, by making Platform 1 the citybound express, Platform 2 the new No.1 for citybound stopping trains, then a new southbound stopping and southbound express line. it seems there's nothing forbidding a future addition of two further tracks on the east side of Carrum station; abolishing the currently-planned Platform 1 and making Platform 2 a wider island platform, with express trains running on the outside. Is that correct?

    David S asked over 2 years ago

    Hi David, 

    Thanks for the suggestion, however, PTV's Network Development Plan has identified the need for only two tracks south between Mordialloc and Frankston, so future expansion to four tracks is not something we are currently considering catering for. 

    Thanks for the valuable input though!

  • Wondering what the capacity of the new Kananook Yard will be? Mordialloc has room for four, Carrum six and Frankston six 6-carriage trains, for a total of sixteen; the yard looks to be planned as eight 350m sidings to match that capacity, but with potential for quite a bit more than that. Also, what will the diverge speed be for the mainline access turnouts and crossovers both ends of the Loop track? 80 km/h would be nice; 65 km/h is understandable; and will the Loop track be available for overtaking moves involving the Stony Point Sprinters or the Long Island steel train, without needing to open gates either side?

    David S asked over 2 years ago

    Hi David,

    Thanks for your message.

    The Kananook Train Storage Facility will replace the existing storage that is currently at Carrum, and will also allow for future growth. The capacity and make-up of the train storage facility beyond the current scope is yet to be determined. 

    We'll work with key stakeholders, including the rail operators, to ensure the design of the train storage facility, including the turnouts and crossovers from the main line, complies with operational requirements to be determined.  

  • Why can't the trench be 7m deep and as No sky rail Frankston line engineers have stated it would than be possible to trench. How hard have you tried to make this possible? Try harder to make this possible! This is a 100 year commitment! Do better!

    Tralee asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Tralee, 

    We have considered all the different options to try and remove this level crossing, you can see eleven of those different options in our Options Report we released in September last year and we've looked at more since then. 

    We know local community groups have said it's possible, the work by our rail and road specialist engineers tell us that unfortunately it is not. 

    Level crossing removals are very complex projects and many factors need to be considered when making a decision. A compliant rail trench is not possible at Carrum due to the close proximity of the Patterson River to McLeod Road and moving the McLeod Road intersection would create an inefficient traffic network and move the station approximately 350m away from the shops. 

    We encourage you to come down to the mobile information hub to discuss the project in greater detail, we will be in Carrum this week. Please visit https://your.levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/carrum for the full list of dates and times you can come and chat to the project team.  

  • If the station is being totally rebuild why can't it be built down the line after McLeod rd for instance. There would be better options for parking and allow for a trench within the gradient specified. This would allow traffic to move more freely, allow eelrace rd to stay open and have little impact on the visual aspects a skyrail would have. I have not seen this option. I would also like to know where I can view the

    SteveB asked over 2 years ago

    Hi Steve, 

    Thanks for your suggestion. 

    In order to allow the trench solution we would need to move the McLeod Road connection between Station Street and the Nepean Highway south by 150 metres. This would mirror the dog-leg road configuration that is currently in Carrum and would restrict traffic flow and create congestion. It would also require moving Carrum Station away from the local shopping precinct in to a residential area, meaning less passing traffic for local traders. 

    Designs for the Station Street, Carrum level crossing removal will be announced soon along with an overview of options investigated. 

    There will be be more opportunity to get involved in the project in the coming months and you can stay up to date on the project and design announcement by registering for project updates at levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/subscribe. 

    You can also check out the designs already investigated in our preliminary options brochure available at levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media-library/publications/frankston-publications/reports/communication-and-engagement-report/preliminary-assessment-reports. 

  • How far apart do you propose the concrete support pylons to be and what will their dimensions be?

    IainCol asked almost 3 years ago

    Hi Iain,

    Thanks for your question.

    The measurements of the support pylons will depend on the final design of the structure. We expect spacings of approximately 25-30 metres, however, this is a level of detail we will not have until we are at the detailed design stage.

  • Is the rumour true that it is intended to put a median strip down the centre of Nepean Highway at McLeod Road so that people driving South from the city will be unable to turn right into Old Post Office Lane and will have to drive down 500m to Eel Race Road and do a U turn to get to Old Post Office Lane, shops, Lifesaving Club, foreshore parking?

    Seaford Community Committee asked almost 3 years ago

    Thanks for your question, and we do apologise for the late reply. 

    The proposed McLeod Road connection does have an impact on access to Old Post Office Lane, as the new signalised intersection would be located immediately south of Old Post Office Lane. 

    We are aware of the community's interest to retain full access to Old Post Office Lane and we will be investigating all options to see if we can safely retain the current access.


  • Will the pedestrian crossing opposite Coolibar Avenue be retained as it is currently shown as being deleted on the option with the increased train stabling?

    TimF asked almost 3 years ago

    Hi Tim,

    Thanks for your questions, and we do apologise for the late reply. 

    The drawings shown are indicative only and further design details will be developed and refined in the next phase of the project. 

    At this stage, it is not expected that the existing pedestrian crossing opposite Coolibar Avenue will be impacted by any potential train stabling works.

  • If, for an elevated rail, LXRA can raise, level out and lower the line 8m in the space of 900m well clear of Patterson River and spanning McLeod Road, why does it take so much longer to place it in a trench as illustrated on page 9 of Preliminary Options document. Investigations show a 2 degree fall is a 3.49% gradient. This means 8 metres depth by 3.49% = 229 metres and that appears completely doable between McLeod Road and Patterson River

    Seaford Community Committee asked almost 3 years ago

    Thanks for your great question. 

    There are a few differences between a rail bridge and trench - the first is that there is a required vertical clearance of 5.75 metres between the tracks and the underside of the McLeod Road road bridge structure. This is a standard as set out within the Victorian Rail Industry Operators Group Standards (VRIOGS 001). 

    There are also additional specific overhead wire clearances, Clause 10.6.2.4 of Metro Trains Melbourne's Overhead Line Electrification Design Standard (MEST 000002-02) requires an additional 30 metres horizontal distance on either side of the above structure where the gradient of the contact wire must remain parallel to the rail under the structure. This requires an additional 30 metres distance of flat track on either side of the McLeod Road bridge, and reduces the distance where the rail line can grade back to the existing surface from 350 metres to 320 metres. 

    In addition, vertical curves with appropriate radii need to be provided at each grade change, which further reduces the available horizontal distance. 

    Taking all the above into account, the total vertical distance between the rail tracks underneath McLeod Road and the rail tracks at the existing Patterson River bridge is 8.35 metres, which is made up of 5.75 metres (required vertical clearance to the underside of the road bridge structure), 1.5 metres (assumed structural depth of the road bridge) and 1.1 metres (vertical distance between the McLeod Road level and the existing Patterson River bridge level). Adopting a grade of 2%, a horizontal distance of 418 metres is required to cover a vertical distance of 8.35 metres, which is significantly greater than the 320 metres available. Even adopting a grade of 2.5%, which would not be acceptable to the rail operators, would still not grade back within the required 320 metres. 

    While we wish we could have presented both a rail bridge option and a rail trench option for Carrum, a trench under McLeod Road is just not feasible. Thanks again for your question. 

  • Given that a 2% grade or 1 in 50 at the length of 400 metres from Patterson River to McLeod Road can provide a trench of around 8 metres deep at McLeod Road, will any form of rail under road be considered, or will no further investigation of any rail under road options be considered?

    TimF asked almost 3 years ago

    Hi Tim, thanks for your suggestion. 

    We've had a good look at doing this but there are some engineering constraints around the distances. The total vertical distance between the rail tracks under McLeod Road and the rail tracks at the Patterson River bridge is 8.35 metres, which is made up of 5.75 metres (required vertical clearance to the underside of the road bridge structure), 1.5 metres (assumed structural depth of the road bridge) and 1.1 metres (vertical distance between the McLeod Road level and the existing Patterson River bridge level). Adopting a grade of 2%, a horizontal distance of 418 metres is required to cover a vertical distance of 8.35 metres, which is significantly greater than the 320 metres available. Even adopting a grade of 2.5%, which would not be acceptable to the rail operators, would still not grade back within the required 320 metres.  

  • As Carrum is not an ideal location for train stabling and one of your options includes extending the train stabling further south to just past Coolibar Avenue, has relocating the stabling to north of Kananook Station (between Wells Road and Bardia Avenue) in the industrial area been considered?

    TimF asked almost 3 years ago

    Thanks for your question, Tim. 

    We are actively seeking a viable location for stabling. While no site has been confirmed yet we will keep you informed as our investigations continue. 

  • How long does it take to provide an answer to a question? I have asked a series of questions that I think are an important part of the discussion over the past two weeks. None have been answered. Consultation closes on only a few short weeks, we need more information: * Can you please provide the detailed technical assessments that was used to rule our rail under road for McLeod Rd? * Why was no alternative provided that included closing the Station St crossing completely and doing a grade separation at Eel Race Rd? This would allow for a rail trench solution for Eel Race Rd and also mean that the current station can be retained. * Once the consultation has been complete will there be further options provided for feedback?

    alexedney asked about 3 years ago

    Thank you for your questions Alex, and we apologise for the delay in getting back to you. 

    We hope you've been able to make it to our sessions to speak directly with our engineers about why we've landed on the current options for Carrum. 

    We would also be happy to take you through in detail over the phone on 1800 762 667 if you have questions that aren't answered by the current materials online. 

    Thank you for your suggestion to close the Station Street level crossing and grade separate Eel Race Road - this is something we investigated but it does create some problems from a traffic perspective. Closing the Station Street crossing without an alternative connection to the Nepean Highway would lead to further traffic congestion and longer travel times. McLeod Road is an arterial road used by approximately 12,000 vehicles per day. It is also a designated B-Double route. This would mean that section of Station Street would need to be reclassified as an arterial road, as well as the Eel Race Road intersection. Eel Race Road would need to be rebuilt to safely accommodate B-Doubles resulting in significant traffic being redirected through a residential area. The shops in Carrum could also be affected if we close the Station Street crossing. So we wouldn't see the same positive benefits to ease congestion and improve the area as the two options we are currently considering for Carrum. 

    We do thank you for taking and interest and providing input at this point - there will be several future opportunities to provide feedback, including on our recommended option and other stages along the way. Thanks again for getting involved.

  • The height of the rail bridge is stated at 'approximately 8m'. Please advise the maximum height of the ancillary infrastructure for power and light above the rail bridge. Thank you

    goonc asked about 3 years ago

    Hi there, thanks for your question.

    For the rail bridge option, there would be overhead infrastructure of roughly 8m in height spaced approximately every 60m along the length of the structure. It can be tricky to imagine how something will look, so for height perspective - the existing overhead infrastructure that's out there now is approximately 10-13m in height.

  • Why is the government taking the cheap and very short sighted approach by constructing rail bridges along beautiful coastal beaches? An underground railway line from Mordialloc to Frankston would enable a safe bicycle path to be built on top of it and would incorporate landscaping and an heritage trail that provides the history of the original inhabitants and the pioneers? A series of rail bridges will destroy and divide communities.

    CarrumCoastal asked almost 3 years ago

    Hi there,

    We understand that rail trenches are often a preferred way to remove level crossings. Given the close proximity of the Patterson River in Carrum, this option does present a lot of engineering constraints. A rail trench and a rail bridge are under active consideration for six of eight sites along the Frankston line, with construction of an additional three rail trench solutions recently completed at Bentleigh, Ormond and McKinnon. 

    We see that cycling paths, landscaping and heritage protection are important to you and hope you will continue to provide your input on these aspects of the project as we move forward. Thanks again for your question.

  • Can you please tell me what the traffic modelling is showing regarding traffic moving from Station St Carrum to Station St Bonceach? What level of traffic across both the Carrum and Bonbeach level crossings would be removed by extending Station St across the river? It would then be possible to close the Station St Carrum crossing completely and undertake a grade separation at Eel Race Rd. There is enough room to undertake a grade separation via rail under rd at Eel Race given the calculations provided for other level crossing removals. This would save a considerable amount as no change to the station or rail bridge would be required.

    alexedney asked about 3 years ago

    Hi Alex,

    Thanks for your input. We're currently undertaking traffic modelling studies to better understand how traffic flows will change as a result of extending Station Street across the Patterson River. We'll keep you posted on any developments so keep an out for updates! 

    hanks for your suggestion to close the Station Street level crossing and trench the rail line under Eel Race Road - this is something we investigated but it does create some problems from a traffic perspective. Closing the Station Street crossing without an alternative connection to the Nepean Highway would lead to further traffic congestion and longer travel times. McLeod Road is an arterial road used by approximately 12,000 vehicles per day. It is also a designated B-Double route. This would mean that section of Station Street would need to be reclassified as an arterial road, as well as the Eel Race Road intersection. Eel Race Road would need to be rebuilt to safely accommodate B-Double use, resulting in significant traffic being redirected through a residential area. The shops in Carrum could also be affected if we close the Station Street crossing. So we wouldn't see the same positive benefits to ease congestion and improve the area as the two options we are currently considering for Carrum. 

    Thanks again for your suggestion.

  • Why has there been no alternative proposals that result in the closure of the Station St Carrum level crossing? Extending Station St across the river and doing a grade separation at Eel Race Rd via rial under rd seems like a possible solution that protects the character of Carrum.

    alexedney asked about 3 years ago

    Hi Alex,

    Thanks for your question, and apologies for the late response.

    We did investigate your suggestion but it was ruled out, as unfortunately it comes with its own set of issues. A trenched rail line is feasible from an engineering perspective under Eel Race Road only, however, this would require the Station Street level crossing to be closed without providing an alternative connection to the Nepean Highway.This option would lead to further traffic congestion and increase travel time through the area, particularly for vehicles attempting to access the Nepean Highway. McLeod Road is an arterial road that is used by approximately 12,000 vehicles per day. It is also a designated B-Double route. This would mean that section of Station Street would need to be reclassified as an arterial road, as well is the Eel Race Road intersection. The Eel Race Road intersection would also need to be rebuilt to safely accommodate B-Double use. This option would result in significant traffic being redirected through a residential area to access the Nepean Highway via Eel Race Road. 

    Removing the road connection between Station Street and the Nepean Highway without providing an alternative in this location could potentially also impact negatively on the local shops in the designated Carrum activity centre. 

    Overall it is not considered that this option would provide a better outcome for the community than the options currently under active consideration. From both a road network perspective and a community impact perspective, this option would not provide the same positive benefits to ease congestion in the area as the two options we are currently considering for Carrum. 

    Thanks again for your question. There will be more opportunities for the community to provide feedback as the project progresses. We hope you have found this information useful.

  • Future planning for the Frankston line always includes a third line. Do any of the options take into account the third line or are you only considering current capacity?

    NeilS asked about 3 years ago

    Hi Neil - great question. 

    As the rail corridor is very narrow at Carrum, there is little capacity to add a third track in the future. Public Transport Victoria's (PTV) Network Development Plan does not identify a need for a third track south of Moorabbin. 

    We (the LXRA) are taking a long-term view to all works carried out as part of the Frankston Line Level Crossing Removal Projects but there is not believed to be a need for a third line through Carrum. 

    Thank you for sending in your question and we hope you contact the Project Team again if you have any other queries in the future.  

  • Hello, Much of the traffic crossing the railway at Carrum is due to the fact that the Patterson river bridge is missing on one side of Nepean Highway. (i.e. People are bottlenecked into the two crossings due to the geography). Was any consideration given to completing the missing Patterson river road bridge? Neil

    NeilS asked about 3 years ago

    Hi Neil,

    Thanks for your question. We are currently seeking community feedback on the option of building a Station Street connection over the Patterson River. This option has been included in our traffic modelling, as we undertake the complex process of investigating the impact our proposed works will have on traffic flow, so we can ensure the best solution is put forward for the local area. The results of our traffic modelling studies will be made publicly available once they have been completed. 

    Thanks for your interest in the project, Neil.

  • What is the specific impact to my home? Unit 3 647-652 Napean Hwy Carrum. How does this impact my privacy? Will people be able to look into my home from the train and platform? Will cars be stopping outside my house due to new traffic lights? Will people who stand infront of the station be able to look into my house? Whats the noise impact, including platfom announcements? Cars stopping and starting due to new traffic lights? I can currently see vegatation from my first and second floor rooms. What can i expect ny future outlook to be? I'm extremely concerned with the devaluation of my home during and after construction. This impacts my financial future and my lifestyle choices dramatically if i choose to lease or sell my home over the next few years (an option I want to keep open). I purchased my home june 2016. Is there compensation available in the worst case? I suggest someone knowledgeable contacts me. Daniel Lennon 0400023003

    Daniel asked almost 3 years ago

    Hi Daniel, 

    We can see you have several concerns regarding the project and that these may be causing you a degree of uncertainty. We want to try and allay your doubts for you but it is important to remember that we are still very early on in the process and do not have the level of detail available to answer your questions for you at this stage. 

    Without a Recommended Solution yet, we do not have a detailed design so cannot predict the specific impacts (if any) to your property that you have asked us to clarify for you. This will not be known until the project progresses further, at which point we will be seeking further community consultation on the solution that goes ahead for Carrum. 

    We hope to engage with you closely once we get to that stage so we can give you the answers you want to these questions. Thank you for supplying your phone number. We'll ensure a member of the Project Team contacts you shortly to discuss the issues you have raised, but please bear in mind that it is too early to give you detailed answers to most of these. 

    Thanks again for contacting us, Daniel.

  • How do I show my support for getting a non-bridge solution back on the agenda and to be further assessed?

    Daniel asked almost 3 years ago

    Hi Daniel, thanks for your question. 

    Currently, there are two option under active consideration for the level crossing removal at Carrum, a shorter bridge above Station Street, with the closure of Eel Race Road, or a longer bridge over both Station Street and Eel Race Roads. This consultation process aims to assess feedback on these two proposals. 

    A rail under the road design won’t work due to the proximity to the Patterson River and the lack of space required for the gradient needed for the train to ascend and descend. 

    Details of this can be seen in the Preliminary Assessment Options document here: http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/68514/Carrum-Rd-preliminary-assessment-options.pdf

  • When assessing the potential advantages and disadvantages of each option was it ever a consideration to not remove the level crossings? Perhaps the advantages and disadvantages of that come with that option are more palatable to the community.

    alexedney asked about 3 years ago

    Thanks for your question, Alex. 

    The crossings at Station Street and Eel Race Road, Carrum have been identified as two of the 50 most congested and dangerous level crossings in Melbourne and the State Government has tasked us to remove them by 2022. With boom gates down for 49 minutes at Station Street and 21 minutes at Eel Race Road between 7-9am each morning, the congestion here is significant enough to warrant their removal. 

    Additionally, there have been 24 reported near misses at these two crossings between 2005 and 2014. Removing these crossings will improve safety, deliver benefits to the transport network and create thousands of jobs - so to answer your question, not removing them was not ever a consideration.

  • Are the noise level testings also being carried out at the sidings, because if they are you will be able to find out what we have been putting up with for years, The trains do not turn off until 10pm at night and start to power up again at 4 am. On weekends the trains come in at 2 am and are still running while they are being cleaned sometimes until 0330am. Any design must have a priority to move the sidings completely out of the Carrum Village

    JW asked about 3 years ago

    Hi JW,

    Thanks for your question. 

    Currently there are two options being considered to address train stabling at Carrum. The first is to move access to the stabling to the southern end, which will reduce capacity and also require closure of Eel Race Road. The alternative would be to relocate the stabling elsewhere on the Frankston line. We are currently continuing our investigations into an alternative location for the stabling but have not yet confirmed a suitable site.

  • Hi LXRA, I would like to know why you have not been able to find a solution at Carrum which meets the communities strong desire to maintain the visual aspect of the location and a preference for a rail trench. There seems to be options available that will close off 2 level crossings in the area that don't involve an elevated rail structure. For example: - Forget the idea about extending McLeod Rd to Nepean Highway. - Extend Station St across Patterson river (improves traffic flow for local traffic). - Keep Station St crossing in Carrum as is so cars travelling north have options. - Close Mascot Rd level crossing. - Eel Race Rd crossing removed with rail trench solution. It seems like this option is absolutely feasible, meets the objectives of the project, and addresses the communities priorities for the final outcome. Not to mention I believe the overall impact is reduced as opposed to the 2 options under consideration as the train station can remain as is. Does the project have the ability to look alternative level crossing to remove, or have you been mandated to remove the Station St crossing and can't look at other options which make more sense? Regards, Ryan

    Ryan.Jacka asked about 3 years ago

    Hi Ryan, 

    Thanks for your question and detailed feedback. 

    The crossings at Station Street and Eel Race Road, Carrum have been identified as two of the 50 most congested and dangerous level crossings in Melbourne, and it's a State Government commitment to remove these by 2022. Boom gates are down for 49 minutes at Station Street and 21 minutes at Eel Race Road, between 7-9am each morning creating significant congestion. Additionally there have been 24 reported near misses at these two crossings between 2005 and 2014. 

    Construction of a new bridge across the Patterson River connecting Station Street is being considered as part of this round of community feedback, but is not part of the committed project at this stage, if the new connection is built the level crossing at Mascot Avenue will be closed. More than 11 different options were explored to remove the two level crossings in Carrum, including options for lowering the rail line into a trench. These options are no longer under consideration for various reasons including the impact land acquisition would have on shops and residents and the inability to go under either Station Street or McLeod Road and return to ground level before the Patterson River.

  • Can you please advise whether there will be further consultation on the design outcome once the final option has been decided? At this stage we have not been given any option other than elevated rail. There should be additional options identified, that do not require a rail bridge, and presented for community feedback before any final decision is made. It is a travesty that Carrum has not been presented with any true option. Once the final design solution has been decided, even if it is elevated, the community should then be able to discuss how the design is best delivered to minimise the impact on the community. If elevated is the only option there should be no dollar spared in making sure that it is an architectural masterpiece to be proud of.

    alexedney asked about 3 years ago

    Hi Alex,

    Thanks for your detailed feedback. 

    As previously mentioned, more than 11 different options were explored to remove the two level crossings in Carrum.

    Rest assured, there will be further consultation with the community to refine the Recommendation Option either later this year or in early 2017. This will focus on the details of the design before it goes out to tender.

  • Does the modelling show that there is any economic impact of the current level crossings in Carrum? As someone who cycles/walks and drives in Carrum crossing the tracks numerous times a day, I would suggest that there is very little impact on the community from the current crossings. Other than the fact it was an election commitment, is there any safety, economic or other reasons why these crossings should be removed?

    alexedney asked about 3 years ago

    Hi Alex,

    Thanks for your question. The crossings at Station Street and Eel Race Road, Carrum have been identified as two of the 50 most congested and dangerous level crossings in Melbourne, and it's a State Government commitment to remove these by 2022. 

    Boom gates are down for 49 minutes at Station Street and 21 minutes at Eel Race Road, between 7-9am each morning creating significant congestion. Additionally there have been 24 reported near misses at these two crossings between 2005 and 2014. Removing these crossings will improve safety, deliver benefits to the transport network and create thousands of jobs.

  • Why was there no alternative option provided for Carrum? When both options provided include elevated rail then you are suggesting that there is no alternative. What is the point of consultation on that? A real alternative may have been to simply close the Station St crossing, extending Station St across the river and keeping the station in it's current place. The undertake a grade separation with rail under road at Eel Race Rd making that the only crossing in Carrum. I know that this may have other impact that I have not considered, and that would be the point. A real alternative to the rail bridge with a completely different set of advantages and disadvantages. Perhaps, when looking at this as the alternative the community would then be able to make an informed decision on what is important to them. Is it vehicle flow or community character? Personally it's community character. I do not believe that the removal of the level crossings is worth the impact that elevated rail would have on this community. Please provide some real alternatives!

    alexedney asked about 3 years ago

    Hi Alex, thanks for your question and apologies for the late response.

    More than 11 different options were explored to remove the two level crossings in Carrum, including options for lowering the rail line into a trench. These options are no longer under consideration for various reasons, including the impact land acquisition would have on shops and residents, and the inability to go under McLeod Road and return to ground level before the Patterson River. 

    There will be further consultation to refine the Recommendation Option either later this year or in early 2017. This will focus on the details of the design before it goes out to tender.

  • If new station built opposite armstrongs road park with adjoining train sequestering, would this not allow eel race elevated rail with associated land recovery for retail development and car parking, thus enhancing Carrum as major local hub for enjoyment of associated beach facilities already built? Linking existing bike paths at back of park would allow large number of local residence to catch train without need for large car park at new station. No discussion on Armstrong road crossing, why not? Right turners from armstrongs road on to northbound Nepean highway a major obstruction to local traffic flows.

    Cbtransition asked about 3 years ago

    Thanks for your question.

    Unfortunately, Armstrongs Road is not one of the 50 level crossings identified for removal. Regarding a new station at Armstrongs Road, Public Transport Victoria manage the metropolitan train network, so they would be in a better position to advise on any possible future train stations. 

    We're aware of the environmental significance to the area around Armstrongs Road. We are investigating alternative locations for the Carrum train stabling, as this would enable the space at Carrum to be used for much better uses, as you've described. These investigations are still ongoing and that's why we have developed options for Carrum based on both relocating and retaining the stabling.

  • As Carrum and Seaford stations are now major feeders for road/rail users, would not a new station at armstrongs road improve access for local cycle/pedestrian/rail users?

    Cbtransition asked about 3 years ago

    Hi there,

    Thanks for your question and apologies for the delay in getting back to you.

    Public Transport Victoria manages the metropolitan train network so they would be in a better position to advise on any possible future train stations. You can find contact details on their website: ptv.vic.gov.au 

  • Would a new stabling precinct at armstrongs road area allow use of old stabling area for construction teams reducing impact on lost car parking at Carrum?

    Cbtransition asked about 3 years ago

    Hi there, thanks for your question and apologies for the late reply.

    Currently there are two options being considered to address train stabling at Carrum. The first is to move access to the stabling to the southern end, which will reduce capacity and also require closure of Eel Race Road. The alternative would be to relocate the stabling elsewhere on the Frankston line. We are currently continuing our investigations into an alternative location for the stabling but have not yet confirmed a suitable site. 

    As part of the final design, there would be no net loss of car parking at Carrum station as a result of either of the proposed design options currently under consideration. 

    During construction, we anticipate there will be disruptions to local car parks, but we'll work with the community to minimise impacts as much as possible.

  • We own property at 647 Nepean Highway Carrum. Where is it proposed for McLeod Road to connect to the highway. Models appear this will be adjacent to us. How will that impact parking and access?

    SLink asked about 3 years ago

    Hi there SLink,
    thanks for your question.

    The new McLeod Road extension will most likely be perpendicular to Nepean Highway, so will join Nepean Highway just north of your property. However depending on the extent of the intersection, the northern entrance to your property may be contained within the intersection. Regardless of the exact intersection design, all property accesses will be retained.

    Regarding car parking, that's not a level of detail we've reached yet. Having said that, we are very aware that car parking is important to both traders and private residences, and will endeavour to retain as much car parking as possible, both during and after construction.


  • Why would you go to the trouble of locating the sidings in a place where it will still be a problem to residents, especially when the use of the sidings is not as was ever intended Sidings are for stabling of trains. The existing one is a workshop, and cleaning place where we have noise from 04am. This will surely not be improved with more trains and 24hour timetables. The last trains at night are from Frankston at end of service and the first trains in the morning go to Frankston to commence service in the majority of cases. Seems logical to overnight them at Frankston away from houses, and saving time and energy going back and forth .

    JW asked about 3 years ago

    Hi there JW, thanks for your question.

    We are investigating the possibility of relocating the stabling facility away from the Carrum area. We are looking at opportunities on the Frankston line, including using existing stabling facilities and new areas that will satisfy current timetables.

    If an alternate location cannot be found, the stabling can be reinstated at the same location with a reduced capacity, however the access would need to be amended which would require the closure of Eel Race Road.


  • If you put a shared platform in the middle, would that reduce the bulk and width of the station? Would splitting the two lines increase daylight underneath the station (in elevated option)?

    tezzi asked about 3 years ago

    Hi there, thanks for your question.

    At this stage the designs presented are indicative, as we are seeking feedback on the two proposed options. Details of the station design itself will be further developed in the next stage of the project. There will be opportunities to be involved in this stage also. However, given the narrow width available for the train tracks between the Nepean Highway and Station Street, splitting a raised bridge isn't possible.


  • How many Level Crossings are there on the Frankston Line

    George asked about 3 years ago

    Hi George,

    Thanks for your question. There are 30 level crossings on the Frankston line, and we're removing 12 as part of this project. We've already removed three at Bentleigh, Ormond and McKinnon, and are now focussing on the next nine.

  • I live in Seaford. Firstly - i love the idea to connect Station St across Patterson River, and to have McCleod Rd extend through to Nepean highway directly. However, I think that it is vital to keep Eel Race Rd open to traffic - otherwise Railway Parade in Seaford will become congested, which would defeat the purpose of having Sky rail. Therefore I am in favour of having the Sky Rail over both Station Street at Carrum and Eel Race Rd. Questions I have are: 1.What is the intended traffic control if McCleod rd is extended through to Nepean Highway? Personally I would like to see a roundabout - so traffic can flow. Not traffic lights. 2. If Station Street is extended across Patterson River, are there any plans to have Sky Rail over Station St / Nepean Hwy intersection in Mordialloc?

    Netts asked about 3 years ago

    Hi there Netts, thanks for your question. 

    A benefit of removing the eight level crossings along the Frankston line are the improved flow of traffic. The removal of the Seaford Road crossing at Seaford will improve traffic flow, particularly between the Frankston Freeway and the Nepean Highway along Seaford Road. 

    To answer your questions: 

    1. At this stage we are assessing the design options. Traffic assessments are underway which is where we observe how many vehicles use an area, how traffic flows along local roads, where vehicles come from and travel to and also modelling how traffic flows will change. This assessment will inform the measures that are taken to ensure a smooth traffic flow in the area. 

    2. The scope of the Frankston line works is to remove the eight level crossings listed here: http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/crossings. There are currently on plans form LXRA to remove the level crossing at Station Street in Mordialloc.